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AUXLANG  January 1998, Week 3

AUXLANG January 1998, Week 3

Subject:

Re: WHAT DO WE EUROPEANS HAVE AGAINST THE DIPHTONGS?

From:

James Hewitt <[log in to unmask]>

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International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 17 Jan 1998 00:43:00 PST

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Allan Kiviaho wrote:
>WHAT DO WE EUROPEANS HAVE AGAINST THE DIPHTONGS?
>
>Well, the total inconsistency in the vowel system in the
>English language makes it virtually good for nothing as
>a carrier of information in Europe and Latin America.
 
All the examples you gave were those of inconsistent spelling. It is
incorrect to use the phrase 'inconsistency in the vowel system'. If we
are talking of orthography, your criticisms would be fair enough.
 
>
>And the Great Diphtong Shift! I wonder whether English is
>the only language in the world where even single vowels
>are diphtongized. E.g.
>
>A =3D EI
>I =3D AI
 
It is more usually called the Great VOWEL Shift. So what if the NAMES of
those vowels are diphthongs in English? English has about the average
number of simple vowel sounds compared with languages worldwide (even if
just comparing with European languages the result is the same)
 
>
>The terrible mess in the English language makes it =
>
>impossible to express the names of people, places etc. =
>
>in Europe, where latin pronunciation is used everywhere =
>
>(more or less) in English. One is forced to spell out
>the names in a clumsy way, letter by letter:
>
>Khei Ai Vii Ai Ei Eitsh Ou =3D Kiviaho
>(Result: Kavaeeo)
 
It's not unusual for non-native speakers to have trouble pronouncing
foreign names. Equally as common is the need to spell out unfamiliar
'foreign' names. The vocables used to express the letters are
essentially irrelevant to the final result (a correctly spelt name), as
long as the two speakers use the same letter names.
 
 
>I am very angry for the way the Angloamericans are
>distorting and mutilating the beautiful name of mine.
 
You are hardly the first person to complain about the way 'foreigners'
pronounce their names. Just any welshman whose names is 'llewelyn'!
 
>Perhaps the "worst" language in that respect
>is French with its nasal sounds etc., but on the other
>hand French is a strictly regular language.
 
Do you like any language's sounds other than those of your own? :-)
In what sense do you mean French is 'strictly regular'?
 
>I sincerely hope that some constructed language will be
>introduced as THE official language for the European
>Union for all communications BETWEEN the European
>languages. I am convinced that the best choice for that
>purpose is INTERLINGUA, then comes Glosa and then
>reformed variations of Esperanto. But I abhor the
>original Esperanto for several reasons but admit that
>Esperanto is a working language and easily reformable
>to an acceptable one. But I am for Interlingua, because
>I am a fanatic supporter of the European cultural
>heritage and put an extremely great value for the
>ESTHETICAL characteristics of a language. I think that
>Interlingua is more beautiful than any natlang.
 
Ahh, now we see the real reason for this vitriolic discourse. Aesthetic
characteristics? Do you mean those sounds characteristic of your own
language, and those of your neighbours? This sort of qualification of a
language is purely subjective, and not particularly important to the
objective aspects of the IAL debate. Still, each to their own, as they
say!
 
>Docent Kari Nahkola at the
>University of Tampere (Finland) predicts that in the
>not too far distance the GERMAN language will become
>the lingua franca of the European Union.
 
Even with this 'dense' qualification, what is his basis? Could you point
us to more details on the web, if they are there...
 
I can see that happening if the EU successfully manages to rail against
the tide English as an IAL growth, but with England in the EU, I doubt
it. And what would be the point anyway?
 
>English will take a full hegemony overall in the world
>but as soon as possible we Europeans must start our
>counterattack armed with a powerful weapon, Interlingua.
 
You just don't like English, do you? :-)
 
IFF the member countries and their populations find it useful. OTOH,
they could do themselves a favour and go with the international flow,
allowing their member companies to communicate with the world!
 
>
>I think that every European should have a full fluency
>in at least three languages: The native language of
>the corresponding country, Interlingua and English.
 
Why add Interlingua in there? Parochialism? If national pride is the
objective, it will be added. Otherwise, it will continue to be largely
ignored.
 
>
>My daughter and her boyfriend ("quasi-husband" - very
>few people get married in Finland anymore) are very
>good in English, they are teachers in English and French.
>My son can speak very good English, too (he and his =
>
>sister were in an American school in Switzerland
>in 1983--5). And our son's girl-friend (quasi-wife)
>was recently studying English in London.
 
How are they at speaking Interlingua?
 
>But still I don't like the idea of English as the single omnipotent
>language in the world.
 
Being a Global IAL does not mean being 'omnipotent' like some sort of
god! A langauge is a tool. Make it serve you, not the other way round...
 
>
>Today our whole company (a newspaper) will fly to Copenhagen. There >we
will encounter something that is
>no language but a throat-illness, Danish.
 
Don't like Danish either, ey?
 
>Hip-hip-hooray!
 
Hurra!
 
Cheers,
JH
 
 
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