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AUXLANG  January 1998, Week 3

AUXLANG January 1998, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Prejudice/racism

From:

"Raymond A. Brown" <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 20 Jan 1998 19:20:21 GMT

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At 10:34 19/1/98, Paul O Bartlett wrote:
>On Sun, 18 Jan 1998, Bruce R. Gilson wrote (small excerpt):
>
>> It is possible to make a Germano-Romance language that works well.
>
>    Elias Molee doubted this, which is part of the reason he developed
>tutonish as a pan-Germanic language.  He suggested that the Romance
>speakers develop their own "union tongue" (shades of Occidental or
>Interlingua?).
 
....and shades of Apartheid.
This doesn't seem to me very different from the attitude that it is
impossible that Whites, Asians, Coloreds (i.e. descendants of mixed-race
liaisons) & Bantu could form a society that worked well; far better, it was
said, that each group developed its own culture.  The result? Years of
bitterness, fear, mistrust - the same ingredients that led to strife &
bloodshed not only in SA but in places such as Bosnia and, for more than
quarter of a century, in the six counties of northern Ireland.
 
>When I once posted a sample of tutonish on INTERLNG,
>the Scandinavian participants indicated they could read it without
>difficulty.
 
And not so long back you or someone else posted a sample of Tutonish on
AUXLANG - as an example of simplification of natlangs to form a conlang; as
such it was interesting.  And I replied saying that as I read the sample I
could, so to speak, hear in the background a chant: "Ein Volk, eine
Sprache, ein....."
 
Ugh - the whole idea revolts me: a pan-Tutonic, a pan-Romanic and, I
suppose, a pan-Slavic, pan-Turkic etc, etc.  This is ghetto mentality - the
breeding ground of suspicion & mistrust that leads to fear & hatred.
 
Surely the "international" in IAL means more than among the 'nations' of
historic ethnic tribes.  I always thought the IAL movement was about
reaching out.
 
I do not subscribe to the simplistic notion that a common world IAL will of
itself bring peace & harmony, be a panacaea to all the world's evils,
bringing apple pie to all.  I know only too well that a common language in
itself does *not* prevent the evils I've spoken of - Bosnia & northern
Ireland are only too obvious examples that it does not.  But to purposely
design languages to promote narrow tribalism and *EXCLUDE* any other group
surely only exacerbates such situations!
 
My attitude to Euroclones is well known.  When Zamenhof, Jespersen & others
designed their IALs in the late 19th & early 20th century, the French &
British Empires were at their hight; most of Africa was administered either
in French or in English, and the for the bits that weren't other Eurolangs
served: German, Spanish & Portuguese.  The adminstrative language of the
Indian subcontinent was English and of "IndoChina" in SE Asia it was
French. In such a world it did make sense to base one's global IAL on the
western European langs.
 
WWII changed all that.  Those empires have, thanfully gone.  If the EU
wants a conIAL it has more than enough choices already.  I can see no need
for yet more Euroclones (except as a mental exercise for language
modellers, on a par with playing chess or solving a dificult crossword
etc).
 
Surely at the end of the 20th century we ought to have some regard to the
wider world?  I said in a posting I made when I got back from the former
home of apartheid - now, thankfully, much transformed - that to my mind the
continuing advocacy of a Euroclone as a _world_ auxiliary is nothing more
than perpetuating the notion of white-supremacy.
 
Ray.

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