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AUXLANG  January 1998, Week 3

AUXLANG January 1998, Week 3

Subject:

Re: RIFOOMD INGLISH - REFORMED ENGLISH

From:

James Hewitt <[log in to unmask]>

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International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:53:06 PST

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Julian Pardoe wrote:
 
>Not the bit about the vowel shift or the resulting radical
>difference in the way we pronounce the "five vowels", as
>compared to their "standard" values.
 
"standard" being continental western europe, I assume. My comment was
not meant to incense! Compared to continental western europe, English is
'non-standard' in a lot of other ways (eg. natural v. grammatical
gender). Does this make it better, worse, or just different?
 
>
>And one person, at least, agrees that "English pronunciation
>that is a mess".  (He may even consider your opinion that my
>opinion is drivel to be drivel itself.)
 
Well, good. So, on a sample of N=3, 67% of those interviewed believe
that English pronunciation is the *real* problem, and not the spelling.
:-)
 
>Sorry to those that understood me the first time, but my point
>was this:
>
>Many of us consider that the great deviation between spelling
>and pronunciation in English weakens it suitability as a
>(nat-)IAL.  (James Hewitt may disagree.  That is irrelevant: my
>thought was addressed to those that do.)
 
Quite the opposite, in fact. In my opinion, apart from the
socio-political history attached to English, this is the only thing
really slowing the progress of English worldwide.
 
 
>
>The recent discussion was based on the assumption that it is the
>spelling that is "wrong" and that if we changed the spelling
>things would be better.
>
>I was just trying to suggest that it's possible to start off
>from another viewpoint, that it is the pronunciation that is
>"wrong" and that if we changed the pronunciation things would be
>better (from the point of view of English's suitability as a
>(nat-)IAL.)
 
It's all so perfectly clear to me now! Actually, that is what I
understood your meaning to be in the first place. The point is that you
would lose the continuity which makes English as an IAL so useful...
 
 
>To my mind at least, this means that a spelling reform of the
>kind that would change 'nation' to 'neishn' would not be without
>some disadvantages, from the point of view of English's
>suitability as a (nat-)IAL.)
 
All points of view have some disadvantages in this debate. Wouldn't you
agree?
 
 
>However, whilst my tongue might have twitched a little and
>extended itself in the direction of my cheek I don't think it
>ever became firmly planted there.
 
:-)
 
 
>
>I hope some of you understood me the first time!
 
I'm sure we all did. Doesn't mean we have to like it, kust 'cause we
understand it!
 
>PS:
>> Let's hope this influx of new speakers doesn't cause any vowel
>> shifts!
>Well, if Spanish becomes the world's IAL what happens to the
>English vowels becomes unimportant.  As for any effects on
>Spanish due to the fact that so many of its native speakers live
>in a society where another language is also widely used, I'd be
>surprised if there were none but they might be beneficial from
>the point of view of its suitability as a (nat-)IAL.
 
For those who understood the first time, I apologise!
I meant a vowel shift in Spanish, because should such a catastrophe
occur, Spanish will then no longer have the "standard" vowels. BTW,
English didn't lose the "standard" vowels, they mostly just got moved
around a bit (as in 'shifted').
 
 
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