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AUXLANG  January 1998, Week 3

AUXLANG January 1998, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Free formation - a comparison (fwd)

From:

Julian Pardoe <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

[log in to unmask]

Date:

Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:42:00 GMT0

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In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]>
> I believe, from this comment and others in this post and the
> immediately preceding post, that Ray is attempting, by literal
> construction of what I say, without reference to comments I've
> made over the years, to DELIBERATELY misunderstand what I have
> to say. [...] Gee, I hate to belabor the obvious, but it seems
> if I leave out ONE WORD, Ray refuses to fill it in from
> obvious context.
 
It would, perhaps, be kinder to assume that his misunderstanding
is not deliberate.  It may, God forbid!, be because you haven't
expressed yourself clearly enough.  You may understand well what
exactly you mean when you say "natural"; we may not -- and we
may have forgotten any precise definition that you have provided
in the past.
 
I too have been frustrated by people's readiness to
misunderstand me if I do not laboriously dot every 'i' and cross
every 't'.  You may have noticed an excessive reaction to this
in my defence of my drivel about the English pronunciation of
the "five vowels".  (Even these quotation marks are defensive.)
 
It is tedious having to write in this style (thank heavens for
copy-and-paste!) and it makes long postings even longer, so
reader and writer both suffer -- and my poor little disk gets
even fuller.  (BT and CIX however are making a nice profit;
it's an ill wind...!)
 
I remember a case where someone inadvertently wrote "case
endings" when talking of verbs.  I was puzzled but on a moment's
reflection I realized that the writer probably meant
part-of-speech markers.  This turned out to be the case.  This
don't stop somebody jumping in with words to the effect of
"these are verbs -- they don't have cases [you moron!]".
 
I think we could all make a little more effort to try to
understand what others are saying.  The technology may worsen
the problem: it is all too easy to hit reply-all and start
typing the moment you encounter something that appears not to
make sense.  (How many times have I hit reply-all before even
reading to the end of a posting!)  It is also too easy to
comment on something line by line, rather than reading the whole
and constructing a reasoned rebuttal to the whole -- a kind of
mini-essay even.  This requires more effort but it produces a
better result.
 
Misunderstanding breeds misunderstanding and debate degenerates
into petty squabbling.
 
I sometimes wish we all had to post in an IAL.  Having to write
in another language slows one down and so gives one time to
reflect on what on is saying.  Trying to select the right word
can also help one think about what exactly one means.  Readers
would benefit: they too might think more about what they are
reading and there's a chance that what they do read would be
shorter and better argued.
 
I sometimes wonder what writing in Lojban would be like.  It has
handy little words that mean things like 'this is a nonce
formation' and allow the clear flagging of editorial insertions
such as that 'you moron!' above.  At least the Lojbanists have
these words available to them even when they write in English.
 
-- jP --

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