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AUXLANG  January 1998, Week 4

AUXLANG January 1998, Week 4

Subject:

Re: Brain and "universal language"

From:

"Raymond A. Brown" <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 25 Jan 1998 14:53:12 GMT

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At 21:09 23/1/98, Robin Gaskell wrote:
[....]
>        The Language Ability, and the full range of possible
>manifestations of it
>(Language Universals), resides in the heads of ~utterers~ before they blurt
>out sounds or leave their marks in some permanent form.  When we look at
>writing or listen to speech (or watch sign language), we are looking for
>clues of commonality between all forms of communication ... but at a stage
>that is two or three levels of abstraction away from the Mental Process of
>Language, where the Universals exist.
 
If the so-called "language universals" reside in the heads of utterers,
this presumably must always have been the case since Homo Sapiens Sapiens
has been around.  Whence, therfore, come the "two or three levels of
abstraction away from the mental process of language"?
 
I keep reading how children use their in-built language universals as they
try to make sense of what adults are saying around them.  I read that
parents' natlang(s) are foisted upon them.
 
What I fail to see is that if humankind is born with these "language
universal", why, in fact, are they not apparent.  Whence came all our many
thousands of different languages with some remarkably different structures?
 
 
[.....]
>such variability.  No doubt the very first discussion, using language, was
>"My 'Ugh!' is better than your 'Ugh.'"  How far have we progressed from
>this, here on Auxlang?
 
'Ugh!'
Are you suggesting that the caricatures of "Stone Age" language often given
in comic strips (together with the odd dinosaur & other anachronisms) is
what early language really was?  What evidence do you have for this?
 
(Presumably, after this remarkable argument, Og hit Ig over the head with
his stone ax and dragged off Ig's wife by the hair.)
 
[....]
>becomes "Merde." or, much earlier, DOG BITE MAN SO MAN KILL DOG became DOG
>BITE MAN SO HE KILL IT.
 
Wow! Man discover pronoun.  Then man discovered tense & later, much later,
man discovered the definite & indefinite articles.
 
Sorry - I just find this difficult to believe.  What evidence do you have
that early women & men actually said things like: 'dog bite man so man kill
dog'?
 
>        And, let's be honest, some of our brothers and sisters - in 1998 -
>still
>operate language systems that lack pronouns.
 
Could you give examples?
 
>If, as political correctness
>would suggest, this is not the result of any mental deficiency in our
>fellow humans,
 
My understanding is that this has nothing to do with so-called 'political
correctness' but is due to the findings of solid scientific research.  Are
you suggesting, in fact, that some racial groups may be more mentally
deficient than the majority of humankind (& some, presumably, more mentally
developed than most) and that it's only 'political correctness' prevents
this being said?  If not, what do you mean?
 
>then the only other conclusion can be that geographical and
>social isolation have prevented them from recognising the use of pronouns
>as part of their Universal capacity with language.
 
I'm lost again.  What has geographical and social isolation to do with
recognizing the use of pronouns? (And the last part of your sentence I fail
to understand completely.)
 
[.....]
>
>        The healthy individual, possibly 'the superior man' as the I Ching puts
>it,
 
or 'Uebermensch' as Nietzsche puts it?
 
>would use his/her supreme grasp of the Universals to express themselves
>as well as their inherited language medium permited.
 
or inherited language media.  Certainly many grow up bilingually and, I'm
told, than trilingualism as regards L1 acquisition is not so rare.
 
[....]
>        On the other hand, you and I are both in danger of condemnation by the
>"political correctivists" if we state the blatently obvious, and say that
>one language medium permits people to use the Universals better than another.
 
I see nothing "blatently obvious" about this.  I don't even see anything
'dimly obvious'.  Could you give some solid evidence for this remarkable
claim?
 
Presumably speakers of the language medium [BTW what's the difference
between 'language' and 'language medium'?] that "permits people to use the
Universals better than another" must be better equipped intellectually than
their fellow humans.  Of course such uebermenschen, 'superior men', or
whatever other term you may use, cannot but constitute a master race.
 
If this is not what you are saying or implying, could you show me how I
have misunderstood you?
 
Ray.
 
=======================================================
Written in Net English                 Humor not marked
No intentional misreprsentation of another's statements
No intentional ad_hominem remarks
 
Gerasko d'aei polla didaskomenos (SOLON)
=======================================================

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