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>I think I need simply to enforce the rules. Nobody can
_discuss_ an issue that
>is already settled unless a majority are willing to reopen the
question. The
>decisions already made make Marcos' proposals all, every one of
them, out of
>order.
>Therefore, although I cannot delete Marcos' posts from the
mailing list, they
>are simply to be ignored in this group.
>                                Bruce R. Gilson
I feel you are setting up a Catch 22 with the issue of
discussing things that
have already been decided. If a person wants to bring up the
question for
reconsideration he cannot discuss it on the list. And despite
several requests
for a list of members' to which only Don and presumably you have
access
one cannot get in touch with all the other members.
 
As far as I can tell I have been the only voice for compromise
and encouraged
mutual understanding on the list in this last exchange of topics
between Marcos
and you, Bruce. Furthermore, I have defended members when I saw
them
mistreated or misrepresented on the list and I have often times
been quite
active in discussions  having an active role in the decisions up
for a vote.
 
I feel bad for your situation, Bruce, if as you say you need to
shout because
if this fails you have nothing to show for two years of
dedicated work. I appreciate
your hard work on the project and your willingness to uphold a
democratic
process on the list. It would have been a lot easier, wouldn't
it if you had
stated what changes you wanted to make and published them
yourself.
However, you decided to take a harder road, and I feel bad that
because
I see that when the road gets rough you cry out! I have not
invested as
much in the project, though I feel I've put in more time than
some others.
 
True to the spirit that Jespersen showed I have tried to promote
mutual
understanding and encouraged free flow of ideas. I feel that
everyone has
some input in the decisions and that the best ideas will win
out. I do not
see it as you do that once a decision is made it better not be
undone, or
make it so hard to undo that it is hardly worth trying.
 
Yossarian lives, therefore, and I must too start paddling if it
seems in
my best interest. You wont catch me naked upon a tree... my
martyrdom
is best reserved for things I feel a lot more strongly about.
 
Therefore, fight it out as you will. Now that it is a lot easier
to unsubscribe
from the list I might as well take my leave and be done with it.
 
No hard feelings, and see you in Auxland...
 
w/regards,
Since,
Jay B.
 
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce R. Gilson <[log in to unmask]>
>>What a time to join the Novial-L list!  I can't tell you what
you guys
>>sound like to a total stranger.
>
>>I give this a couple of weeks, then set my filter for "Trash."
>
>Yes, you picked a bad time. Let me simply say, Peter, that
before Marcos
>joined the group we were really doing something worthwhile.
Since he joined,
>we've been in a state of responding to his proposals, which
really are so
>totally at variance with what we've been doing to update the
language that
>I don't even know why he insists we can all work together.
>
>I can promise you that if Marcos were not here, the discussions
on this list
>would be far more cordial and productive. I've seen what we've
been doing
>for two years. Even when we have differed, we've been able to
resolve the
>differences to produce acceptable compromises. The problem is
that just before
>you came on, we got a new member who doesn't want to play by
the rules, and
>ALSO doesn't want to leave. And up until now I haven't known
how to deal with
>this, because we've never had anything like this before.
>
>I think I need simply to enforce the rules. Nobody can
_discuss_ an issue that
>is already settled unless a majority are willing to reopen the
question. The
>decisions already made make Marcos' proposals all, every one of
them, out of
>order.
>
>Therefore, although I cannot delete Marcos' posts from the
mailing list, they
>are simply to be ignored in this group.
>
>                                Bruce R. Gilson
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