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AUXLANG  February 1998, Week 4

AUXLANG February 1998, Week 4

Subject:

Eurolanf observations (was: Assorted Novial observations)

From:

Cheradenine Zakalwe <[log in to unmask]>

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[log in to unmask]

Date:

Tue, 24 Feb 1998 00:25:33 GMT

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In message <[log in to unmask]> [log in to unmask] writes:
> The major differences I see between Novialides and Eurolang is that
> the latter drops PoS marking, and seems more a mixture of european
> languages than a language itself.
 
IMO a language that is a mixture of the main languages of the EU
would make a good common language for that organisation, and its 370
million people.
 
> This is what I don't like in
> Eurolang,
 
Why not?
 
> >              -i       -e        -0
> >            ( 'hear'   'speak'   'find' )
> >Present       audi     parle     find
> >Infinitive    audir    parlar    findar
> >Past          audiv    parlav    findav
>
> You've opted for -iv -av as past markers.
 
I personally haven't (I prefered -ab/-ib). The euro-l list voted
for -av/-iv.
 
> This comes from S, I, P
> I suppose, but this is the suffix of past continuous, so the
> impression we've got of this is that parlav, findav means "I was
> talking, I was finding".
 
_parlav_ means "I talked" or "I was talking" or "I used to talk".
 
> That's why I prefer E -ed for past tense.
>
> >Future        audira   parlara   findara
> >Conditional   audiria  parlaria  findaria
> >
> >Pres Part     audienta parlanta  findanta
> >Past Part     audieda  parleda   findeda
>
> Past participle or passive participle?
 
"Passive participle" is the official term. The function is broadly
similar to what is called the "past participle" in many European
languages.
 
> >Subj Noun     audier   parler    finder
> >Obj Noun      audied   parled    finded
>
> I like this feature. -er is a good marker for Subj Noun, a well
> recognizable one.
 
It comes from E,D -er; F -eur; Sp,It -or.
 
> I thought of it for Novial, but it's very similar to
> infinitive -ar, and it breaks -e PoS marking rule for nouns, so
> probably I'll do with -ere.
 
Or you could use -nte. I think both are acceptable.
 
> >mort = die
> >
> >morter = dier, dying person
> >mortanta = dying
> >
> >mortaver = dead person
> >mortavanta = dead
> >
> >mortarer = person who will die (mortal person)
> >mortaranta = mortal
> >
> >unmortarer = immortal person
> >unmortaranta = immortal
>
> Not bad, not bad. The only point I don't like is infinitive as stem
> form for future, it doesn't seem very logic.
 
It does if you consider _mortara_ is the future tense.
 
> >The verb can also be used with another instrument in place of the
> >normal one, signaled with _par-us_:
> >
> >   me martelav la nagel into la port = I hammered the nail into the door
> >
> >   me martelav la nagel par-us brik = I hammered the nail with a brick
>
> This is a good idea. I wonder if novial can do this.
 
N28 has _hamre_ = "a hammer"; _hamra_ = "to hammer".
 
--
Cheradenine Zakalwe
Eurolanga Publicizationa Organization

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