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AUXLANG  February 1998, Week 4

AUXLANG February 1998, Week 4

Subject:

Re: Assorted Novial observations

From:

"Bruce R. Gilson" <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 22 Feb 1998 17:24:46 -0800

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Cheradenine Zakalwe <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
 
>In message  <[log in to unmask]> [log in to unmask] writes:
>> The idea of _all_ verbs ending in -a, nouns in -e, and adjectives -i is,
>> I believe, in Philip's Eurial. It's not the way _I_ prefer, but it is workable
>> and does fit my preference for strict PoS marking.
 
>It sounds a reasonable system to me. One problem is that lots of
>verbs don't naturally have -a-, eg in the -ion forms, words like
>(from English, but they are equivalent in other langs):
>   definition (-i- stem)
>   solution   (-u- stem)
 
>Also note that sometimes it is -tion, sometimes -ion.
 
>So it seems to me that in a Novial-based lang there should be different
>verb paradigms, eg:
 
>inf    -ion
>===    ====
>-ar    -ation    (most verbs)
>-ir    -ition    definir/definition
>-er    -ion      discus/discusion
 
>And also possibly:
>-der   -sion     vider/vision, divider/division
 
>We could also have:
>-ur    -ution
 
>Because Romance langs don't have -ur infinitives, -ution words could
>instead go:
>-uter   -ution    (note this is part of the -er/-ion group)
 
>Note that we would then have 3 conjugations:
>-der/-sion
>-er/-ion
>-r/-tion
 
>As for the present tense: if could ewither be the same as the
>infinitive, or the -r could be dropped off. If we did the latter,
>then of could POS marking would be out of the window, as we would
>have -i, -a, -e, and possibly -u forms.
 
>Let's throw POS marking out of the window, for one moment. We could
>also allow nouns to end with any letter, with the proviso that
>words meaning something that might be male or female mustn't end
>in -o or -a. so we could have:
 
>auto (n) car
>aqua (n) water
>actor (n) actor (m or f)
>actoro, actora (n) male and female specific ofrms of the above.
 
>fratre = sibling
>fratro = brother
>fratra = sister
 
>Note that we are also using the Orthographic Novial conventions.
 
>Such a language would be quite recognisable, reasonably naturalistic,
>and also very regular. A bit like one of the schematic varients of
>Interlingua that IALA proposed. It would have little of the irregualrities
>which IMO are IL's biggest weakness.
 
 
As I read this post, there are a number of options, and if you take the appro-
priate decision on certain choices, you end up with the identical result we
have achieved. Having "-der/-sione" does make for a few more natural forms
than our own, but the argument is why stop there... why not "-rer/-sione"
to take care of "adhere" etc., I think there is a question of where one draws
the regularity/naturalness line.
 
I don't _want_ to throw PoS markers out the window, of course, and so some of
the later parts that apply to the case where you _do_ do not apply to what
I would like to see. But the more naturalistic language that you get if you
make _every_ decision the _opposite_ way from the way I (and in most cases,
_we_, the NRG) made them, you still have a language better than Interlingua
in being more regular. So I'll not condemn the proposal except to say that I
personally prefer something rather more schematic, with PoS recognizability
and yet more regular than this naturalistic compromise.
 
 
                                Bruce R. Gilson
                                email: [log in to unmask] or [log in to unmask]
                                IRC: EZ-as-pi
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                                (for language stuff: add /langpage.html)

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