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AUXLANG March 1998, Week 1

Subject:

Re: James' Project to Reform Novial (fwd)

From:

Marcos Franco <[log in to unmask]>

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Date:

Wed, 4 Mar 1998 19:09:21 GMT

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On Wed, 4 Mar 1998 00:26:41 GMT, James Chandler
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
 
>> >[w] may be known from E, but I don't want to postulate a knowledge of
>> >E as a prerequisite for learning my IL.
>>
>> Well, aren't you doing that when taking vud, -(e)d, etc?
>
>No more than I'm assuming a knowledge of S or P when I take TAMBEN for
>E also.
 
Well, then I see no reason for not adopting W from English.
 
>> >Would you be able to tell me the maximum length of time into the =
future
>> >something has to take place for it to be wrong to use "ir" in Sp.?
>>
>> It's more a matter of relative time than absolute time. 3 years can be
>> a lot of time or just a bit of time. It depends on for what.
>
>If you are saying here that it is not unheard of in Sp to use ir for
>an event 3 years in the future, then I could not take very seriously
>the objection that ir is used only for immediate futures.
 
I'll try to explain it with other words. "VA" (is going to) is used
for *relative* inmediate future. Same as in English, as I stated.
Personally, when I read "VA", I prefer to see it as a superdeformed
version of "will" rather than Spanish "va".=20
 
>> >Any accusative marker will be cumbersome and unnatural for most =
people.
>>
>> Then don't they use it. But let the rest of us have the opportunity of
>> playing with word order if we feel the necesity.
>
>As far as I can see, there never is a necessity to invert the SV order.
>Espists allege: 1. Emphasis, 2. Translation from national languages. =
But
 
3. Style.
 
>for neither of these purposes is it necessary or even clear to invert =
the
>normal word order in order to express the *sense* of the proposition.
 
I would rely that on user's criterium.
 
>> >But actually, the order is not SVO in Novial, it is SV.
>>
>> Well, I suppose Object has to go somewhere...
>
>I am saying that that somewhere is not stipulated beforehand. It =
doesn't
>cause confusion to say LA ME AMA, MA NON LAN AMIKA.
 
I think you have just put a pretty confusing example. I can see four
different possible meanings there:
- She loves me, but she doesn't love her friend.
- She loves me, but her friend doesn't.
- I love her, but not love her friend.
- I love her, but her friend doesn't.
 
Well, I suppose Object is stipulated at least not going before subject
on your scheme. In mine it is (unless you use an accussative marker).
 
 
 
Saludos,
Marcos

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