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AUXLANG  March 1998, Week 1

AUXLANG March 1998, Week 1

Subject:

To (was Re: James' Project to Reform Novial)

From:

"Raymond A. Brown" <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 5 Mar 1998 20:55:26 GMT

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At 00:54 3/3/98, James Chandler wrote:
.........
>
>AFAIK, "to" now has two clearly separate roles in E, as a preposition and
>as an infinitive marker.
 
No - it does have two roles, however, one as a preposition (I'm going to
town) & the other, less common, as an adverb (going to and fro).
 
There is no infinitive marker as such in English, as the infinitive is
frequently _unmarked_, e.g. I can _go_ (cf. I am able to go).
 
As the infinitive is a verbal noun it could, in theory (and in practice in
the Romancelangs & many others) be governed by different prepositions.  In
modern English this is restricted to the preposition "to" which originally
expressed 'aim' or 'purpose' (and obvious & common metaphorical extension
of 'towards'); it is often still used this way, e.g. He went to market _to_
buy a fat pig (i.e. in order to buy ....).
 
But because the infinitive ending -n was often dropt in middle English,
such uses with 'to' became extended to some other environments where the
infinitive is used.
 
>"to" started out as just a preposition, but
>presumably was prefixed illogically to the infinitive in order to
>strengthen it.
 
There was nothing illogical about it. The 'to' was a natural extension of
the meaning of the preposition - see above - which in Old English caused
the infinitive to have the dative ending (e.g. bycgan '(to) buy', t=F3
bycgenne '(in order) to buy).
 
The dative ending hardly needed an extra strengthening!
 
And at 11:11 3/3/98, Marcos Franco wrote:
>On Tue, 3 Mar 1998 00:54:56 GMT, James Chandler
><[log in to unmask]> wrote:
.......
>>What you say is a matter of tradition, I see as something which has
>>grown up because of a real need in the language.  Most human language is
>>tradition, if your definition is to be applied to it.
>
>Well, I don't see the real need. It's just that some verbs take the
>preposition when an infinitive follows, some not. When there is prep.,
>it doesn't mean anything, it's just a nexus. This double-way is just
>one irregularity more (with no particular justification), which should
>not be kept on a IAL.
 
Absolutely - some infinitives are governed by the _preposition_ and some
are not.  It is an irregularity which Jespersen eventually dropped from
Novial.  I certainly agree with Marcos that there is no justification for
preserving this anglicism in a conIAL.
 
Ray.
 
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Written in Net English     Humor not necessarily marked
 
SORRY FOR DELAY IN REPLYING - REPLIES WRITTEN ON 2ND &
3RD MARCH
MY INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDER DIDN'T LET ME LINK UP TO
THE OUTSIDE WORLD ON TUEDAY, 3RD MARCH OR
WEDNESDAY, 4TH MARCH
 
GUESS I MUST THINK ABOUT ANOTHER ISP.
 
Gerasko d'aei polla didaskomenos (SOLON)
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