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AUXLANG  March 1998, Week 1

AUXLANG March 1998, Week 1

Subject:

Re: James' Project to Reform Novial (fwd)

From:

Jay Bowks <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 2 Mar 1998 23:26:53 -0500

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 http://adam.cheshire.net/~jjbowks/index.html
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
-----Original Message-----
From: James Chandler <[log in to unmask]>
>I thought it was [b] that was hard for you to produce.  I was
under the
>impression that in the mouths of many Spanish speakers, there
was little
>or no distinction between how B and V are pronounced.
 
In Spanish the B and the V can be treated as the same letter
when read
because most if not all Hispanics pronounce B and V as a "b"
when it
is the initial letter in a word... burro "Boo-row" and  vaca
"Bah-kah".
 
But when B and V are in the middle of a word the sound is that
of
a bilabial V... like an English B that never quite gets both
lips to
touch completely, so that you are still blowing air through the
space between both lips... uh, got that... :-))) Sort of like a
"bh" as in "labio" =3D "LAH-bheeoh" and "uva" =3D "OO-bhah".
And therefore "viva" =3D "BEE-bhah" and "bebe" =3D "BEH-bheh".
 
Some people can pronounce the English style "v" because
they have learned it when young enough to get used to it...
there are parts of Spain where more than Spanish is spoken,
Catalan, Galego, Basque... In South American countries where
a similar situation has Spanish speakers close to other language
groups, e.g. Brazil, the U.S. no doubt people are going to be
exposed to the lip-to-tooth "v" sound.
 
The real problem is remembering to use these sound once
a pattern has been established on the mind. One always goes
back to those sounds one has become familiar with.
 
Other issues of this type with some Spanish speakers is the
problem of identifying "kh" with "h"... in Castilla the "kh"
sound
is more popular than the soft "h" sound one hears in Andalucia
and in South America, although in Andalucia too the "kh" sound
is heard...
 
In Argentina and Paraguay the "y" sound is almost a "zh" like
the French or Portuguese "j"....
 
The "s" sound is very whistled as in Greece, throughout Castilla
and other parts of Spain. Similar to the "female pronounced sss
in the U.S.".
 
The "p" is not as explosive and often sounds like a "bb" to
English
speakers.
 
Some parts of Spain and South America have a strong "tch" sound
others have a softer "sh"...
 
 
So therefore James' words below are quite applicable to this
issue
of difficulty of sound to Spanish speaking lips... it is a
matter of
tradition... However there are so many traditions... Indeed so
many
ways of speaking Spanish properly and understandably that it is
hard to establish a standard...
 
>What you say is a matter of tradition, I see as something which
has
>grown up because of a real need in the language.  Most human
language is
>tradition, if your definition is to be applied to it.
>
>James Chandler
>[log in to unmask]
 
Therefore when the standard is so lax as to accept variations
within
the canvas of the tabernacle of what is "Espa=F1ol" (note the use
"of the" :-)
the standard becomes a sum of the greater number... Spanish too
is
a mighty international tongue, the differences that exemplify
its wide
distribution and its regional traditions only reinforce the fact
that
an international language needs to be pliable and resilient,
accepting
a wide degree of variance in accents and forms -- the fear that
a
language will desintegrate in a progressive procession of
regional
dialects and be broken up into daughter tongues died with the
Middle Ages, and even then the use of Latin was still the link
of science and learning throughout... Today it is the satellite
links
and the cable systems, the video player and movies on DVD...
Today a TVE (Spanish TV) soap opera plays in Montevideo and
Mexico city and a Mexican comedy show is featured in Spain --
the differences in accents are like the spices on a meal they
give taste and appeal they do not divide or repel all in the
name
of economics and of providing what people want to see and hear.
 
A Global IAL would do well to learn from the diversity that
actual
Traditional and Economic IALs allow in differences and
variations within the norm. English does this too. American,
British, Australian, Canadian, South African variations only
divide to a lesser extent than these reinforce the spread of
common forms and mutual understanding... Monty Pithons,
Benny Hill's Show, Fawlty Towers, Dr. Who, help to spread
not only English, but the acquisition of typically British
forms.
Dallas, ER, M*A*S*H, Star Trek, The Bill Cosby Show help to
spread understanding and acceptance of American usage.
 
Interlingua of IALA well exemplifies the undestanding that
variance
and the acceptable use of alternative forms does not foster
dialectalization, instead they provide a measure of freedom
that assures maximum ease of expression within mutually
understandable means of communication.
 
Any IAL project would do well to study and acknowledge the
International Auxiliary Language Association's research and
findings... When the IED and Grammar were published they
encouraged consideration of these forms as a starting point
in the development of a method of auxiliary communication,
the results are presented as the sum of the most commonly
shared features in the already international languages used
as a source... English, Spanish, French, and Italian, German
and Russian (with the emphasis on the common wordstock
of Latin-Greek derivation).
 
This is what makes Interlingua the best IAL project, I feel, in
its maximizing at-sight recognition with a scientifically
derived
method of extracting the common vocabulary in actual
international
use.
 
The lessons are out there for budding Auxlangers to benefit
from. Maximize the use of international vocabulary, reduce
grammar to what is absolutely necessary, and practice worthwhile
use of the language to promote its acceptance in the
international
scene.
 
As was said in IALA circles, so many claim to have developed the
ideal IAL only to find that they have little worthwhile to say
in it. A
sad commentary indeed on why so many projects have come and
gone.
 
Since,
Jay B.

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