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AUXLANG March 1998, Week 2

Subject:

Pronouns in Novial Pro

From:

Marcos Franco <[log in to unmask]>

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Date:

Fri, 13 Mar 1998 21:21:51 GMT

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Hi,
 
Revising Novial's scheme for pronouns, I've felt that a fair
improvement is possible. First, I start from the point that a
differentiation between pronouns refered to humans and pronouns
non-refered to humans is necessary. J's also felt this necessity so he
took -u for denoting "thing", and the noun ending -e for "person" (le,
lu; irge, irgu). This need is also very evident on "que" (what & who),
but I've not found "quu", so it seems that Novial gets into "que"
both "what" and "who", which is certainly clumsy. In Novial Pro, as
-a/o are not reserved for sex marking, I take -o for things, so "que"
will be "who" and "quo" will be "what".
 
On what concerns to personal pronouns, they will be:
Me, vu (or tu), ile, ila, ilo, ilum;  nos, vus, iles, ilas, ilos.
 
Note that on third person sex differentiation is needed, so I've opted
for -a (fem.) -e (masc.), which, by the way, give naturalistic forms.
A remarkable point is that the i- on third person is elidible (like
the -u in Ido). This will be particularly pleasant to be used when the
personal pronouns act as object, as _le, la, lo, les, las, los_ are
the natural forms in Spanish and other romance languages.
 
I've also been working on interrogatives/relatives, looking for the
simplest system possible. This is what I've got:
 
Source adj,     Interrog.       Relative
pron, adv.      adj,pr,adv      adj,pr,adv
 
tem     >       quitem          > kuitem        when
lok     >       quilok          > kuilok        where
tal(x)  >       qual(x)         > kual(x)       which
talim   >       qualim          > kualim        how
tant(x) >       quant(x)        > kuant(x)      how much/many
-e      >       que             > kue           who
-o      >       quo             > kuo           what
-i      >       qui             > kui           what (+ noun)
 
Many natlangs (and even Esperanto) has no differentiation between the
relative form and the interrogative form. We could do the same in
Novial Pro, but I think that a differentiation is useful on writing
(on speech intonation do the work), because if not, many times we will
not know if the sentence we are reading is a question or a relative
clause until we get to the end and see (or not) the question marker
"?".  =20
 
It's occured to me that "tem" and "lok" could be used beside "kuitem"
and "kuilok" (N's tand & vor). They are very comfortable and I think
no confussion can arise:
Tem me vided vu, me saluted vu.
Ile troved lo lok me dikted.=20
 
 
Saludos,
Marcos

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