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AUXLANG  March 1998, Week 5

AUXLANG March 1998, Week 5

Subject:

Re: Less, ..... **Non-Literal

From:

Ken Caviness <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 29 Mar 1998 20:25:59 -0500

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Je 04:49 PM 29.03.98 -0500, Paul O Bartlett skribis:
 
>On Sun, 29 Mar 1998, Bruce R. Gilson wrote (snippet):
>
>> I agree in theory. The problem is that most people use idioms without
thinking
>> about it.
>
>    Precisely the point I made earlier.  I cannot speak adequately
>about other languages in this regard, but idioms are imbedded almost
>in the "soul" of English.  Many anglophones may well have no idea that
>they are speaking idiomatically. =20
 
Yes!  I wish I had kept a diary of "translation bloopers" from my three=20
years teaching in a French-speaking university in Rwanda:  we would=20
occasionally have guest speakers on campus, sometimes monolingual=20
anglophones who had (apparently) no previous experience speaking=20
through a translator.  I remember one gentleman in particular who=20
seemed incapable of expressing the simplest concept without using=20
"colorful" American idioms.  The translator spoke excellent English=20
and had spent years in the U.S. studying, but was unable to correctly
translate more than about a quarter of the idioms into French.  Poor=20
chap!  After that I noticed that speakers who were used to working=20
with translators avoided idioms and tried very hard to use clear,=20
unambiguous, non-idiomatic expressions.
 
>As I remarked previously, I have
>noticed a tendency to relexify English idioms by Glosa-pe, and if I
>were a nonanglophone, I would probably be baffled.  I contend that in
>an interlanguage, idioms must be avoided like a linguistic plague.
 
Amen!  But not to worry, in actual use this problem may damp out: =20
relexed English idioms will frequently not be understood by non-
anglophones, perhaps the misunderstanding will provide enough negative=20
feedback to remind you next time!
 
Amike,
 
Ken
 
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  | [log in to unmask]             ESPERANTO =3D Lingvo internacia |
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