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AUXLANG  March 1998, Week 5

AUXLANG March 1998, Week 5

Subject:

Re: SH words again (fwd)

From:

"Raymond A. Brown" <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 28 Mar 1998 17:43:17 GMT

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At 22:06 27/3/98, James Chandler wrote:
>Ray Brown scripted:
[....]
>> And for German
>> speakers it won't even correspond to pronunciation.
>
>According to my sources (I am no German speaker), D amu"sieren is
>pronounced with [z].  At least that is the "official" pronunciation, and
>I am more interested in that than in more minor regional variations.
 
My point, which I'm singularly failing to make, is that for Germans the
"natural" and, indeed, *ONLY* way to write [z] is with {s}.  I KNOW THE
GERMAN PRONUNCIATION QUITE WELL.
 
To the Germans the letter {z} means [ts].  Thus:
a) to re-spell J's word as AMUZA will suggest to Germans: [amu:tsa].
b) the Germans actually have 'amusieren' [a:mu:zi:r@n]
c) the Germans *spell* the word, like the French & English, with -s-
d) the spelling AMUZA thus neither corresponds to German, French or English
spelling, nor does it suggest to *Germans* (who use {z} for [ts]) the
"correct" pronunciation.
 
Not too difficult to follow, I hope.
 
[....]
>> introduced into N98. As I suspect the chances of either Novialoid ever
>> being spoken are about on a par with my visiting Mars, it's all rather
>> academic & I will argue it no more.
>
>I will not take offence at this, as I don't think Ray Brown thinks highly
>of the chances of any Euroclone (the term he would use).  My views are
>well known.
 
Certainly not one based on an IAL that's not been used for the past 50
years, especially as the various "reformers" quarel among themselves.
Esperanto & Interlingua will, I have little doubt, still be used as we
enter the 21st century.  Any other Euroclone that has a hope of competing
with them must IMHO _start_ with the language situation of the late 1990s
and not late 1920s Europe.
 
>> >Spelling {z} in AMUZA is just a way of ensuring the correct pronunciation
>> >for all who already know the word.
>>
>> <groan>
>
>Me non comprenda vun <groan>.
 
Alas, I fear you'll never understand me; as a certain Mr Line would say,
our ontologies are different.
 
Ray.
 
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Written in Net English        Humor not necessarily marked
 
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