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AUXLANG  March 1998, Week 5

AUXLANG March 1998, Week 5

Subject:

Re: Auxiliary language (was: James' project)

From:

"Robert J. Petry" <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:28:23 -0700

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Bruce R. Gilson wrote:
 
> Bob Petry asks what our concept of an auxlang is. To me, it is a language that
> people whose L1s are unknown to each other can use to communicate. I imagine
> that natlangs will continue to be the primary languages of 90+% ov the world
> even if auxlangs receive far more support than they have to date.
 
This e probably true, & l 90% r e led by English z l most used "international" lin
f l foreseeable future.
 
> But I think an auxlang needs to be as productive as a natlang.
 
Here e where j think j see u auxlang u little differently. j see u auxlang z u tool
f getting l required message across a l other person(s). j n see u auxlang being
able a say everything o every subject. A j, when u language, auxlang or n, goes
beyond basic communication needs, then t e going i l direction d u "replacement"
lin. &, j n believe l world a any level e ready f k.
 
> One problem I
> have seen with Eurolang (which has a number of features I like) is its gross
> reduction of words, so that subtlety and nuance does not exist. If I want to
> convey subtle distinctions, it appears I cannot in Eurolang, no matter how
> proficient I will become. Which means I have to go back to English, and I
> still cannot explain the subtleties to, say, a monoglot French speaker who also
> has learned Eurolang.
 
Then, e c n u desire a have u "replacement" lin versus u aux lin? U question, n u
criticism.
 
> I think an IAL needs to have three characteristics:
>
> 1) It should take less time and effort for speakers of the source languages in
> question  to learn than for either of the communicators to learn the other's;
 
AGREED, and much less time!!!! Otherwise l effort becomes l same z learning any
other language, & i k case, most would probably opt f u natlang.
 
> 2) It should be possible for speakers of any of the source languages to make
> all the distinctions that they make in their own language;
 
j e n sure about c. x ALL l distinctions have e made, then e c n going beyond what
u auxlang e?
 
> 3) It should not require them to make distinctions that, in their own language,
> they feel no need to make.
 
j e n sure j understand number 3. Could v expand more o c one?
 
> It is probable that 2) and 3) can only be put forth as ideals, but at least
> they should be goals toward which a language designer strives.
>
> Note also that all 3 applied to different sets of source languages may give
> different outcomes; and in particular, it is probably true that there are
> pairs of languages that perhaps can have no solution to these criteria. (This
> is, among others, my reasom for pessimism about a "global IAL" being possible.)
 
Here l different outcomes seem a e based o l audience d l lin. F instance,
Interglossa seems e more oriented a l scientist, z LsF (j think k e what j read
Peano writing). RLR y originally developed more o corresponding m l youth d l
world, & also z u business correspondence tool. X c e true, then w p see k l
vocabularies will e different a some degree, & sometimes a u marked degree. So, x
each lin e targeted a u different audience, then don't w still h l same problem?
i.e. u multitude d lin instead d ONE international auxiliary language. & x k e so,
then w e back a square one again. Now, instead d 6,000 "natural" lin, w r ha 6,000
"constructed" lin. Thus, no progress?? Qd v pu? {What [do] you think?)
 
Mil gra f vi response,
Bob

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