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AUXLANG April 1998, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Interlingua - Occidental

From:

"Robert J. Petry" <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 19 Apr 1998 09:17:06 -0700

Content-Type:

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Kjell Rehnstr=F6m wrote:
 
> Occidental and Interlingua text deleted.
> Bob wrote:
> Some of Bobs text deleted:
> [kut]
> >Estimat seniores,
> >Noi ha recivet vor lettre del 12.4.57 e invia vos ei-junt* li factura =
e li
> >conossement del cargament de buttre quel vu benevolet commendar nos.
> The correct form is probably _ci-junt_ (ci meaning _here).
 
You are correct. This was a typo on my part.
 
> >INTERLINGUA
> > kut]>So, don't know if this gives you the answer you want, but it's t=
he best I
> can
> >do at the moment.
> >
> I think it does.
> 1. You are more interested in the Occidental texts, because they deal w=
ith
> something that is interesting you. The very form of the thing you are
> reading, the feeling of History's wingstrokes (If that's what you say i=
n
> English), and the quality of the language. Perhaps they were good write=
rs.
>
 
You are partially correct here. I do find these works fascinating as they=
 are
history written basically as it occurred with this language, and those ar=
ound it.
 
> [kut]
>
> There must obviously have been a lot of extra-lingual factors that made=
 
> Occidental meet the fate that it did, because what I have seen as yet i=
s
> really interesting.
>
 
I think there were a LOT of extra lingual factors. Let me give a sports e=
xample.
The Univ. of Az. "Wildcats" basketball team won the national championship=
 last
year. This year near the final rounds they were soundly defeated by a tea=
m from
Utah. They were beaten badly. You could see in their faces the other team=
 came up
with a defense that threw them off center and they were not able in the s=
hort time
of the game to figure out the solution. As time went on they team really =
got
scared, you could see it in their faces, they couldn't hit baskets, they =
fell
apart. Yet, they were the better team, but they began running scarred. Pu=
t the two
teams back together tomorrow and the Wildcats would cut right through Uta=
h like
butter. Why? They wouldn't be afraid this time, and they have easily beat=
 them in
the past. The other factor was, the stakes were too high in this game. It=
 was a one
shot deal, which also started to work on the "defending" champions as gam=
e time
slipped away.
 
So, I see from the progression of articles in Cosmoglotta that this was h=
appening
to the people in the Occidental movement. They kept changing in the middl=
e of the
game from their game plan, because the other team IALA was making small g=
ains here
and there. So Occidental tried to play IALA's game instead of making IALA=
 play
theirs. If we somehow could set up "game two" I don't think the outcome w=
ould be
the same. Occidental, the language, IMO, still has it, but the wind has b=
een
knocked out of the human players.
 
Another factor is this. The use of the term Interlingua gets quite confus=
ing as one
reads through the magazines. And, this confusion I think got people on th=
e side,
unknowingly, of IALA "Interlingua" thinking this was just an improved Occ=
idental.
Here's why. From the beginning the use of the word Interlingua was tied u=
p with
Occidental. In the VERY FIRST issue of Kosmoglott is this article title: =
Fusione de
Ido et de Interlingua. In issue two, de Wahl is mentioned along with the =
Academio
de Interlingua. And, this relationship keeps on through almost EVERY issu=
e. It's
uncanny. Even LsF was originally connected with the word Interlingua, & i=
t appears
some of the Occ. people looked at this first as an extention of Occidenta=
l.
 
Anyway, they should have stuck to their guns, but didn't. They ran scared=
 and
confused, by the look of the article progression in Cosmoglotta.
 
Here is more of the letter in Interlingua and Interlingue.
 
Interllingue:
 
Concernent li duesim demi de vor comenda, noi regretabilmen ancor ne poss=
e indicar
vos li exact date de expedition, ma noi espera que it ne va esser tro tar=
d, si noi
success far li imbarcament intra tri semanes.
 
Interlingua:
 
Concernente le secunde medietate de vostre ordine, nos infelicemente nond=
um pote
indicar vos le data exacte de expedition, sed nos spera que il non essera=
 nimis
tarde si nos succede de far le imbacamento intra tres septimanas.
 
Interlingue:
 
Si vu desira comprar un nov partie de merces, noi peti vos scrir nos per =
retorn de
posta. In response a un recent inqueste quel noi havet li ocasion far int=
er li
productores, noi recivet in facte li information que ili besona hodie un =
termin de
liveration de adminim quin mensus por executer li comendas.
 
Interllingua:
 
Si vos desira emer un nove lot de merces, nos vos pete scriber nos per re=
torno de
posta. In responsa a un recente inquesta que nos habeva le opportunitate =
facer
inter le productores, nos recipeva in facto le information que illes requ=
ire hodie
un termino de livration de al minus cinque menses pro exequer le ordines.=
 
 
Interlingue:
 
Esperante que vu va esser plenmen satisfat de nor servicie, noi saluta vo=
s
sincermen.
 
Interlingua:
 
Sperante que vos essera plenmente satisfacte de nostre servicio, nos vos =
saluta
sinceremente.
 
> What I had read earlier were the Cosmoglottas from the Swiss period, an=
d
> they were not encurraging - to me.
>
> It is generally very boring when people just discuss about tens and
> hundreds of words that nobody really need there and then.
 
Seems so to me also.
 
&, Al l sue a v,
Bob

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