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AUXLANG  August 1998, Week 3

AUXLANG August 1998, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Esperanto vs Interlingua & Occ. (fwd)

From:

"Donald J. Harlow" <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 16 Aug 1998 10:18:04 -0700

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Je 05:36 ptm 8/16/98 +0100, James CHANDLER skribis:
 
>The main point I would
>make is that it has been demonstrated, I believe, by Idists and others that
>Esperanto is not fit for the particular purpose you discuss, namely
>communicating scientific ideas with the necessary precision and
>unambiguity.
>
Quite the contrary, it has been demonstrated -- by _practice_ -- that it is
_totally_ fit for the particular purpose you quote. I will not make the
counterclaim that Ido and other such languages are not fit for this
purpose, since lack of any evidence supporting their fitness is not proof
of a lack of fitness itself; but there's plenty of evidence floating around
to show that Esperanto _is_ fit.
 
To give an example: an acquaintance of mine, a professional translator from
Russia now living (and attempting to make a living) in the United States,
last weekend exchanged several messages with me about a Russian translation
he was doing for a company in San Francisco. The item being translated was
a long English-language description of siting rules for oil refinery tank
farms (presumably in Russia). He couldn't figure out some parts of the
English because they were basically ambiguous, imprecise, and full of
jargon. Frankly, I couldn't figure out some of them myself, but at least
had had the experience of driving past an oil refinery or two a few miles
from my house, and having some small knowledge of how tank farms are laid
out (when we moved in here, my neighborhood was surrounded by them, until
Standard sold off the land for shopping malls, apartment complexes, and the
like). I was able to give him what seemed to me some reasonable explanation
of two or three of the points. Yesterday he e-mailed me his final
intermediate translation -- in Esperanto, of course, the language in which
we had discussed the problems.
 
I can imagine doing this in Ido. But I have never heard of its ever having
been done.
 
I would add that any scientific discipline has its own special jargon which
must be learned above and beyond the basics of the language in question.
(For example, in the document mentioned above we couldn't figure out
whether "embankment" was to be used as a noun referring to an object, or as
a gerund -- apparently it had both meanings; and I never did figure out
"cultivated rocks".) This is no less true for Esperanto than it would be
for Ido -- except that Ido, seldom having been used (recently: never) for
such matters, has not developed such specialist jargons. Where, for
instance, is the Ido equivalent to the three-language physics dictionary
(key language: Esperanto) which recently came out in its second or third
edition in Japan? Or the numerous -- excessively so, IMHO -- dictionaries
of computer-science jargon available in Esperanto? Or the mathematical
terminologies from Deneva, Kisselman, A=FEvinikumar' and other authors
available in Esperanto? Or all those multilingual life-sciences (medicine,
entomology, etc.) dictionaries based around Esperanto that the Chinese keep
publishing?
 
Claiming that Idists have "shown" Esperanto incapable of doing something it
does quite well and Ido does not do at all is not very good logic.
=20
 
-- Don HARLOW
http://www.webcom.com/~donh/
(English version: http://www.webcom.com/~donh/dona.html)

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