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AUXLANG  September 1998, Week 2

AUXLANG September 1998, Week 2

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From:

Kjell Rehnstrom <[log in to unmask]>

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International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 7 Sep 1998 07:31:15 +0200

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Bob scribeva:
>
>Esp:
>Multaj kompetentaj personoj estas konvikitaj ke kelkaj sangoj kaj
>plibonigoj estas dezirindaj, kaj ec necesaj.
>Occ.
>Mult competent persones es convictet que quelc changes e
>ameliorationes es desirabil e mem necessi.
>
>Esp:
>Ekzemple, la multaj groteskaj kaj absurdaj finajoj per nj devas
>esti abolicitaj. Tiaj kaj aliaj malfacilajoj estas en Occidental
>forigitaj.
>Occ:
>Por example, li mult grotesc e absurd finales per jn deve esser
>abolit. Tal e altri desfacilita's es in Occidental supresset.
>
>P. 56 Cos. Juli 1939, de "Pro Quo Yo Abandonat Esperanto" de
>William Henthorne (Anglia).
 
=46orsan comparationes inter occidental e esperanto del typo demonstrate in
supra justo era isto que repercusseva a occidental postea, in le
comparation con interlingua. Plus in re isto plus tarde.
 
Ego ha etiam inter interlinguistas audite de tal comparationes inter
interlingua e esperanto. Ego pensa que illes es injuste, pro le ration que
esperanto functiona secundo le sue regulas e occidental secundo le sue. Le
interessante cosa non es si _Li iris en multajn diversajn domojn por peti
almozojn je chiaj eblaj tempoj de la varmegaj someraj tagoj_ es un frase
belle o non. Lo interessante es si il es plus facile apprender le
correspondente frase in occidental: *_Il intrat in multi diversi domos por
peter almozes ye omni possibil tempos del tre varmi sommeri dies_ * =3D Yo
save que il a pluri erras in ti textu in occidental e accepta con joye li
correctiones de Bob. Mi puncto tamen es isto que io pensa que tal
comparationes es interessante solmente si on vole monstrar que occidental
corresponde a su criterios - differente de esperanto.
 
In su volumines de cosmoglotta Bob pote trovar articulos de Ric Berger in
le quales ille fortemente critica interlingua. Il non es un fin de tote le
errores (erras) que ille (Berger) trova in interlingua. Qual es alora
(then) le causa que Berger va facer se (is going to become; is going to
"make himself") un ardente propagator pro interlingua?
 
Le causa es simplemente que ille habeva studiate le lingua plus
detaliemente e ha vidite su tractos (features) plus attractive in
comparation con occidental. In le mesme maniera que plure esperantistas
discoperiva (discovered) ido e postea discoperiva occidental, e postea
discoperiva novial (multo brevemente - shortly) e discoperiva interlingua,
e discoperira... (-ra =3D future).
 
Pro que era (was) interlingua plus facile pro me que occidental?
Proque interlingua es un lingua que usa le vocabulario international. Illo
non es plus romanic quam que ego ha un massa de vocabulos o typos de
analogia in mi proprie lingua svedese. Lassa nos prender exemplos simple:
lege =3D sv. lag, angl. law; legal identic.
leger > lectura =3D sv. lektyr (scribite secundo le pronunciation francese!)
lector =3D lekt=F6r (un persona qui lege manuscriptos pro un editorial
(publishing house).
kollection =3D kollektion, samling; le vocabulo svedese ha referentia a un
certe typo de objectos colligite.
 
In interlingua il ha ordine, b in interlingua corresponde a v in svedese in:
scriber =3D skriva (to write)
scribtion > scription : inscription =3D inskription; transcription :
transkription;
transcriber =3D transkribera;
anglese ha mesmo _describe_, _circumscribe_ etc.
Ego non sape si occidental ha _transcrir_ o _transcriber_.
Occidental ha le forma _scrir_ que da _manuscritte?_ _manuscrition_?
Le forma _scrition_ in occidental corresponde a _scriber_ in interlingua.
 
occidental dir =3D interlingua: dicer > dicar in _abdicar, abdication;
dedicar, dedication;
sv. abdikera, abdikation; dedicera - dedikation
interlingua: diction, dictar, dictatura, dictator, dictamine
sv. diktion*, diktera, diktatur, diktator, diktamen (dictation in anglese).
* le diction de un artista, le maniera de parlar de un artista scenic. Un
actor qui ha un bon diction se audi facilemente.
 
Un tracto de occidental que me del altere latere (on the other hand) multo
place es le uso del demonstrativo _ti_, _to_; isto es ordine e il ha
predictabilitate:
Occ.: Ti home es mi amico. To es un cose tre interessant.
Yo prefere interlingua pro to que hay plu de ordine in it.
 
Mi sonio (dream) es un plus occidentalizate interlingua quanto al parolas
grammatical, ma isto non es un supporto general:
 
Interlingua supporta formas como:
ego (cognoscite como termino psycologic)
id (etiam cognoscite como termino psychologic) In svedese nos parla de _jag
-et_ (ego)  _det-et_ (id)  (que io non pote verificar per le vocabulario
que io ha apud me).
 
Isto es ergo parolas ben cognoscite in multe linguas european, e illos ha
loco in un lingua international.
 
Vole ben notar (Plez nota) que io _non_ ha dicite que occidental es
inferior a interlingua, io solo ha dicite que le principios de interlingua
es multo plus clar e que il ha clar associationes, non solo al linguas de
base de interlingua ma a omne linguas europee.
 
Il es le commun vocabulario del linguas european que es interlingua, non
solo illo del linguas romanic.
 
Le occidentalistas qui probava attraher occidental a interlingua de IALA
ageva prudentemente. Le causa que occidental non succedeva era plus tosto
un problema socio-demografic, quam purmente linguistic.
 
 
 
 
[log in to unmask]
Kjell Rehnstroem
Vaenortsgatan 87
S-752 64  UPPSALA
Svedia - Sweden

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