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CONLANG  September 1998, Week 4

CONLANG September 1998, Week 4

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Re: Immediateness

From:

Carlos Thompson <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 22 Sep 1998 01:54:20 -0500

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-----Mensaje original-----
De: Pablo Flores <[log in to unmask]>
Fecha: Martes 22 de Septiembre de 1998 00:55
Asunto: Re: Immediateness


>Carlos Thompson wrote:
>>In Spanish, at least in my dialect, one would say
>>  Ya me fui'. (lit: I'm already gone)
>
>Which dialect is it?

Bogot=E1 Medium Class Youth Spanish.  I remember being told as child Colo=
mbia
has the most neutral accent in Spanish which I'm pretty sure is false.  N=
ot
even Central Andean Colombia has a unified accent and differences are
relevant.  After living a couple of years in Sweden, rounded by Chilenian=
s,
among other Latinamericans, I found chocking listening and recognizing
Bogot=E1 dialect... and listening how different ways Bogot=E1 dialiect wa=
s
spoken.

The most conservative Spanish (taking Sephardi appart) is believed talked=
 in
Boyac=E1, a Mountain province North from Bogot=E1.  I guess therefrom man=
y
people say Central Andean Colombian is the most neutral accent in Spanish.
In Boyac=E1 are still found forms like "sumerc=E9" or "su merced", much l=
ike old
Spanish "vuestra merced" which lead to "usted" in most Spanish dialects.

Some other Andean dialects I can easilly recognize in Colombia are:
_santanderiano_, north from Boyac=E1 near Venezuela.  _Opita_ southwest f=
rom
Bogot=E1, _paisa_ from Medell=EDn and influenced territory, and _pastuso_=
 from
the South and very similar to Ecuatorian (Quito).  _Valluno_ from Cali us=
es
"vos" for informal addressing like _rioplatence_ and _paisa_ but somehow
different.

In Northen Colombia the great Caribean dialect is spoken, with a lot of
branches.  A non-familiarised person won't easilly distinguish betwen a
Cuban or a _barranquillero_, much the way a non-familiarised won't
distinguish a _porte=F1o_ from a _uruguayo_ or from someone from Rosario.

In Los Llanos region, people from Colombia or Venezuela speak the same
dialect: _llanero_ and share the same music.

Some other day I will explain further... if somebody asks :-)

>In my own dialect (Rioplatense), you can say: "(Ya) me fui" or simply
>  "(Ya) me voy" (I go, I'm going already)
> [...]
>--Pablo Flores

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