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AUXLANG September 1998, Week 5

Subject:

Re: Esperanto what for?

From:

Jay Bowks <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Jay Bowks <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 29 Sep 1998 19:44:23 -0400

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Dankon, Ken, thanks for the nice comments,
but as you asked I did go through the ten
lessons, even printed them out and I'm
keeping them for reference, I got a big
kick out of it... It was fun. But what I meant
about being part of the movement was
my learning Esperanto as a teenager
in Franco Spain. I wore a green star on
my shirt to school even, and would always
seek an opportunity to tell other people
about Esperanto. However, during
High School I started reading works
like the Loom of Language and of
course Mario Pei's books and looking
up references on Jespersen and de Wahl,
and I did like Ido a lot due to its more
romance look and feel as I perceived it.
 
But then I learned about Latino sine Flexione,
which rang a big bell in my brain and since
then I've admired Peano's logical and simple
ideas on language. I was confused about
IALA's Interlingua and thought for a long
time, untill college, that IALA had actually
simply updated Peano's work, and in fact
this is how it is reported in quite a few
encyclopedic works. But the truth of the
matter is that when I took latin in H.S. I
loved the classics and LsF was a way to
have the best of both worlds, the modern
IAL ideals and the fundation of the classic
look and feel of Latin vocabulary.
 
Perhaps my personal experience is not
too different from other IAL/conlangers,
in my Auxilingua Project pages I compiled
a list of personal experiences from conlangers
and a lot of the same themes are mentioned.
Things like the Loom of Language, Tolkien,
SciFi conlangs, and Pei's works, I feel are
common links we all share.
 
I don't harbor any animosity towards Esperanto.
Actually I think it has a lot of good points, but I
do encourage further consideration on the points
I mentioned in my previous posting. Phonetic
spellings (specially using the Roman alphabet
only the 26 of 'em, though, tip the hats :-)
and more Latin based international roots,
(and less things like knabo for boy, how about
puero, as in "puerile", etc.)
 
So again, jes, I did take your suggestion up.
Dankon pro via gratulon!
Amike,
 
Jay B.
 
P.S. But I still loooooove "le belle lingua international"
Vi komprenas min?
Chu ne?
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Caviness <[log in to unmask]>
To: Multiple recipients of list AUXLANG <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Sunday, September 27, 1998 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: Esperanto what for?
 
 
>Je 03:55 PM 27.09.98 -0400, Jay Bowks skribis:
>
>>However, I for one could be counted among the
>>ones who learned Esperanto and left its movement
>>when I found an alternative that was more to my
>>liking.
>
>C`u vere, amiko?  I remember when you said you were going to start learn=
ing
>a little Esperanto on the side, and I offered to help you, as you had be=
en
>helping me from time to time with Interlingua, but then I didn't hear an=
y
>more about it.  Did you at least work through the free 10-lesson online
>course I recommended?  Se jes, gratulon al vi!
>
>>I do like Esperanto still, I for example like
>>its simplicity and its somewhat logical use of
>>POS endings.
>
>Glad to hear it!
>
>>But I would say that the language
>>would be much more to my liking if it had what
>>I would consider advantages... truly fonetik spelling
>
>Perhaps you mean a "different" phonetic spelling, perhaps a "more natura=
l"
>phonetic spelling?  I believe that Esperanto's spelling already is
>phonetic, learn the sound of each letter and then "No worries, mate!"
>
>>and truly logical derivatives from the already
>>existing international vocabulary.
>
>It has been pointed out that using different suffixes might have resulte=
d
>in more natural-looking derived words, but it also gives in some
>odd-looking results as well, and an effort to eliminate them gives rise =
to
>a need for either multiple roots for the same concept (and learning when=
 to
>use which) or new rules for mutating the root words (and learning when t=
o
>use them).  Possibly more trouble than it's worth, especially in an IAL
>whose intended field of use extends beyond WENSA speakers.
>
>There is much to be said for the various views expressed in this forum, =
and
>we should be aware that there are pros and cons on both sides of these
>issues.  Proponents of different planlingvoj have different priorities, =
and
>the same is (was) clearly true for the creators of the various languages
>(as can be seen from their creations).
>
>Jay, I appreciate the humor and good-will your postings show!
>
>Amike / Amicomicalmente ;-)
>
>Ken
>
>  *-----------------------------------------------------------------*
>  | Ken CAVINESS           Physics at Southern Adventist University |
>  | [log in to unmask]             ESPERANTO =3D Lingvo internacia |
>  | http://southern.edu/~caviness/     E-o/English/Fran=E7ais/Deutsch |
>  *-----------------------------------------------------------------*
>

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