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CONLANG  October 1998, Week 3

CONLANG October 1998, Week 3

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Re: GROUPLANG: noun and verb roots

From:

"Mathias M. Lassailly" <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 15 Oct 1998 05:40:54 -0000

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Pablo wrote :
> What do you say, Mathias? Have I studied my lessons? :)
>
>
> --Pablo Flores
>

That makes me very embarassed :(
I didn't want to lecture anybody, I'm not a linguist, you know ? I was beside the point mistaking REAL lingic issues and the fun of making a conlang. I would prefer to subscribe to new, off-science, free ideas even if contra-lingologics. I suggest each could have a deeper individual discussion with another conlanger through e-mail, not posting. To Pablo : what I write is what I think, not Truth : Jap theme (= TOP) mixes true theme and case feature due to 'theme=subject' usual trend in human languages because you don't often see a hammer acting by itself. Only in 'potential' form you realise that the tool is the underlying 'subject' : hon o yomu : I read the book > hon ga yomeru : I can read the book. That's why genuine potential has no passive (it's not potential : it's antipassive, so it can't be passive). But in spoken Japanese this is now turned into hon o yomeru (-u = do; aru = to have (living beings)/to exist (inanimate); iru/oru = to be; eru = to get). However 'image' is!
!
!
 unergative, so that's why 'mi-eru' and 'mi-ru' are still on an equal footing : compare : hon o yomu : I read the book; hon wa yomu : the book, (I) read it; hon ga yomareru : the one which is read is the/a book; hon o yomareru : my book is read ('I'm read the book' = indirect passive); hon wa yomareru; the book is read (top=subject); hon ga yomeru : the book, it can be read/I can read it (not in my will : antipassive); hon o yomeru : I can read the book (active); hon wa yomeru : I can read books; hon o yomaseru : I have (him) read the book; hon o yomaserareru : someone had me read the book; etc. 4 logics intermingle here : theme-rheme, realis-potential, subject-object, active-antipassive, active-passive-caus/factitive. So case 'ga' may show theme, antipassive, subject, depending on the context.



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