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CONLANG  November 1998, Week 1

CONLANG November 1998, Week 1

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Re: Naturalness, etc. (was: Re: LUNATIC again)

From:

Matt Pearson <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 5 Nov 1998 13:56:27 -0700

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lojbab wrote:

>Well, I have heard people attacking Chomskyan theories, and painting
>Chomskyans
>with a broad brush as intellectually close-minded, but it always seemed
>more or
>less an intellectual challenge rather than rudeness.

I dunno. I guess it depends on your perspective. I've had to answer some
criticisms in the past which at the time seemed a lot more like insults than
intellectual challenges. How does one objectively answer the charge of
being brainwashed, or of not doing 'real science'?

Part of the problem is that many of the attacks on Chomskyan theory that
I've read, both on this list and elsewhere, are based on the theory as it
was twenty years ago. It seems like many of Chomsky's critics got as
far as "Lectures on Government and Binding" (1981) and haven't read anything
by him since. (And frankly, who could blame them? Chomsky's writing isn't
exactly a model of clarity or precision, and you have to dig to find the
interesting insights.) For example, IMHO, the criticism that Chomskyans
believe that "if it happens in French, English, and Hebrew, then it's
universal" is no longer valid, if it ever really was. Although Chomsky
himself rarely deigns to discuss languages more exotic than Icelandic,
those who operate within the generativist framework have been working
diligently over the last 20 years to expand the data base, and have
broadened the empirical coverage of the theory considerably as a result.

Chomsky may have been the first person to spell out the assumptions and
research strategies that underlie generative linguistics, but other people
have since taken those assumptions and strategies and modified them beyond
all recognition. I guess I resent having to answer for all the little
eccentricities of Chomsky's own work when the field is so much broader
than just one person. And to be honest, my feeling is that the best work
within generative linguistics has been done not by Chomsky or his closer
followers, but by those of us who are inspired by his ideas but also take
them with a grain of salt.

                                                        Chomskyan linguists
>have, however, been directly insulting to Loglanist/Lojbanists in the way that
>they choose to label the language uninteresting, not merely in the fact that
>they do so. It's kind of hard to explain, but for the longest time, my main
>goal for Lojban was to get the project to be considered "respectable" to
>linguists, which it once was. The Chomskyans I talked to not only saw
>no reason to think that it was possible to have Loglan/Lojban be
>linguistically
>respectable, but theyseemed to be insulting me for trying to gain this
>respect. It was clear that I was being classed with the auxlangers who,
>naive anbout linguistics, would bombard linguists with imperatives to solve
>the "World Language Problem" by supporting their auxlang of choice. I was not
>that sort of person, and resented being classed as that sort before I had even
>tried to make my case.

I understand your resentment, and I agree that you were treated most
unfairly. But I can also understand the feelings of the linguists you talked
to, even though I don't condone their attitude. Linguists tend to be very
paranoid about issues of academic legitimacy, more so than other fields,
I think. On the one hand we're constantly having to answer criticisms from
the hard(er) sciences - physics, biology, even psychology - that what we're
doing is not empirical and doesn't count as 'real science'. And on the
other hand we're constantly having to counter popular misconceptions about
what we do, which lump us together with prescriptive grammarians, spelling
reformers, Ebonics advocates, and other non-academic 'special interest
groups'. Given this paranoia, I can see how a linguist might jump to
conclusions, once the notion of an invented language (whatever its purpose)
has been introduced into the conversation. After all, most linguists are
just as ignorant as everybody else about the diversity of interests and
goals within the conlanging community. And to the ignorant, the idea of
arranging for large groups of people to learn and use an invented language
- even if it's to test legitimate scientific questions - smacks too much of
'Esperantism', which smacks of language reform, which smacks of
prescriptivism. And prescriptivists are, as every linguist knows, the
enemy! :-)

Matt.

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Matt Pearson
[log in to unmask]
UCLA Linguistics Department
405 Hilgard Avenue
Los Angeles, CA 90095-1543
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