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AUXLANG  November 1998, Week 2

AUXLANG November 1998, Week 2

Subject:

Re: Fan and Interstellar Klingons

From:

Don HARLOW <[log in to unmask]>

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Date:

Wed, 11 Nov 1998 06:40:16 -0700

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Responde al Robin TURNER:
 
> "Donald J. HARLOW" wrote:
>
> > Je 08:31 ptm 11/10/98 +0100, Kjell REHNSTROM skribis:
> >
> > >Don wrote:
> > >> I ran across a group of Klingons in the story -- the
> > >>fan type, not the interstellar type.
> > >>
> > >Does _fan_ stand for _phantasy_ or if they were not interstellar, what were
> > >they then?
> > >
> > The characters in the story were a small group of people who dress up in
> > Klingon uniforms, apply external ridges to their foreheads so that they
> > will look like real Klingons, perhaps stain their skin brown to the same
> > effect, try to eat food that looks like _gaq_ (which probably tastes
> > similar to what it sounds like), and may occasionally cry out a Klingon
> > term that sounds something like "kerplop". They were from New York, not
> > Klinzhai or Kronos.
> >
 
> Enthusiasts of Klingon
> language/culture are generally termed "Klingonists", to distinguish them from
> the horny-browed folk from outer space. Although originally nearly all
> Klingonists were "Trekkies" of the type mentioned above, some Klingonists I know
> told me that now most people becoming interested in Klingon are
> linguists/conlangers who are interested in the language in itself, rather than
> as a Star Trek cultural accessory.
>
An interesting point. Back when the newspapers were engaged in all
the hooplah about the Klingon Bible Translation project (1994 and
thereabouts), I never tired of pointing out that _almost everybody_
then involved in the project also spoke Esperanto (specifically Mark
Shoulson and Glen Proechel, who later, so the rumor mill had it,
split over the proper application of Esperanto's Rule 15 to Biblical
terminology not covered in Okrand's dictionary). Later I found out
that Klingon could be learned through an eleven-lesson free postal
course that apparently mimicked the ten-lesson one devised years
earlier for Esperanto; the devisor and administrator, a chap named
David Barron in Idaho, was someone I myself had actually met in the
flesh, when I attended a Rocky Mountain Esperanto conference that he
organized in 1988. Also, see below...
 
> As I think I mentioned in an earlier posting, Klingon is an interesting case of
> a conlang becoming an IAL by accident; when Mark Oran designed the language he
> had no idea that people from different countries would be huddled in corners at
> Star Trek conventions speaking Klingon to each other!   Although Klingon is
> rather limited functionally (no word for "goodbye", and the closest to "hello"
> is "wgat do you want?") it does actually work reasonably well as a language
> (rather than just a linguistic toy).
 
Not too surprising, given that it is not strictly _a priori_ (though
the vocabulary is, pretty much), but is structurally related to the
languages of several groups of West Coast Indians with whose tongues
Okrand was familiar through his work. I believe the Costanoans, on
whose sometime land my house sits, contributed heavily, though
inadvertently, to Klingon... Some years ago, the magazine _Esperanto
USA_ ran an article by Proechel ("Klingon and Esperanto: The Odd
Couple?") on similarities (and differences) between Klingon and
Esperanto (primarily in the fields of structure and word-formation
techniques; obviously, the lexicons are _very_ different). Those
interested can still find it at
 
ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/el/elna/Artikoloj/Klingon
 
> Klingonists have translated large chunks
> of Shakespeare - you can get Hamlet's soliloquy at
>
> http://www.lexicon.net.au/~opoudjis/Klingon/klingon.html#ham
>
> including a wonderful English transliteration of the Klingon.
>
The page belongs to Aussie linguist Nick Stavros Nicholas, who was, I
believe, the primary translator of Hamlet into Klingon (the entire
thing is available in book form through KLI, mentioned below*), and
who was, a few years back, the Secretary of the Australian
Esperantist Youth Organization. If you back up a couple of levels
(http://www.lexicon.net.au/~opoudjis/) you can find his main web page
and follow down to his pages in Esperanto and Lojban.
 
> The Klingon Language Institute page is at http://www.kli.org/
>
Auxlangers might find it educational to visit the Institute's
informational pages at
 
http://www.kli.org/kli/langs/KLIe-o.html
 
and
 
http://www.kli.org/kli/langs/KLIvpk.html
 
---
 
*Ve! I just checked out the "merchandise" page at
http://www.kli.org/kli/Merchant.phtml and found that the book
version of "Hamlet" is no longer available, except to donors in the
$500 class (anybody want to help the KLI in its work?). Nor is the
KLI currently advertising another Shakespeare translation -- I think
it was of "Much Ado About Nothing" -- that, last year, was
prominently scheduled to be forthcoming. Instead, the KLI is now
marketing strictly the usual set of Klingon dictionaries and tapes,
back issues of their two magazines, English-language fiction from the
various Star Trek book series, and a certain amount of _kitsch_ (pins
and the like).
--Don HARLOW
http://www.webcom.com/~donh/
(English version: http://www.webcom.com/~donh/dona.html)

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