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AUXLANG  November 1998, Week 2

AUXLANG November 1998, Week 2

Subject:

agglutination vs isolation [Was: Re: how many Espists?]

From:

Robin Turner <[log in to unmask]>

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International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 12 Nov 1998 12:05:31 +0200

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Kjell wrote:
 
 
> The winning IAL must have simple syntax like Asian langs.
> It must have a minimal easy to learn and pronounce
> vocabulary. I don't know about morphology, whether
> tis nobler to agglutinate or isolate, but preservation
> of the euro-naturalistic derivations is a mistake.
>
 
I agree to a large extent.  My ideal IAL would have a very simple
basic syntax and vocab, but a host of optional elements (e.g.
different tenses/aspects).  For this reason, and others, I prefer an
isolating language. However, there's isn't that much difference
between isloation and agglutination as one might think -
agglutination tends to occur as a result of isolated particles
running together.  Take Turkish, the classic example of an
agglutinating language.  The progressive aspect suffix -Iyor- comes
from the Old Turkish stem yoru- (Modern Turkish y=FCr=FC-) meaning
"walk".  Similarly, "askerdi" ("He/she was a soldier") can also be
written as "asker idi".
 
You also see this process at work in conlangs e.g. in Lojban the
rough equivalent of a passive marker, "se", is often run into the
following particle e.g. "r'ia" (=3D because), "seri'a" (=3D therefore).
What it doesn't allow, interestingly enough, is running the modifier
into a root-word; thus I can run together the particles "pu", "zu"
and "vu" to give "puzuvu" ("long ago and far away") but I have to
say "puzuvu verba" ("long ago and far away there was a child"), not
"puzuvuverba".  This is to avoid ambiguity - one of the problems
with agglutinating languages is that sometimes part of the stem is
identical to an affix, as someone pointed out in this list a while
back (e.g.in Turkish the passive of "dinle-mek" ( =3D listen) is not,
as one would expect, "dinle-n-mek" but "dinle-ti-l-mek" (actually a
passive causative) because "dinlen-mek" is "to rest").
 
co'o mi'e robin.

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