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AUXLANG November 1998, Week 2

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Re: Glosa (was: Re: Re&: Esperanto what for? (fwd

From:

Robin Gaskell <[log in to unmask]>

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International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 9 Nov 1998 09:11:41 -0500

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At 11:36 AM 11/1/98 -0700, Robert Petry wrote:
>James Chandler wrote:
>
>> Robin Gaskell rote:
>>
>> > *   There are two groups for whom Glosa has familiarity, but these are
>> > cultural, not ethnic, groups: the classically educated, and the
>> > international scientific community.  Between them, a lot of the world's
>> > leaders are covered.
>>
>> That doesn't sound to me like a very big constituency; and as I said, I
am familiar with more scientific terminology than a lot of people, and I
don't have much luck with most of the words in Glosa. Don't forget that
this is the era of specialization: the average scientist may know the
terminology of his own small field, but it unlikely to that of many others.
>>
>[kut]
>
>Here is a list of some Interglossa words. Are they easier equal or harder
in understanding than Glosa?
>
*   Firstly, the language is not just its words, and all of the above are from
Hogben's list of "modifiers" as denoted by their terminal "O".  This forced
terminal vowel - according to a scheme of marking the P-o-S - was one part
of the Hogben system that the Glosa authors dispensed with.  Some of the
Glosa words do end so, but the terminal vowel in Glosa was chosen for it's
being closer to the most frequent termial vowel found in the Classical
lexicons.
 
Interglossa .....Glosa ........................ Rating (Glo/I-G)
List
 
>iso ........... iso [equal, as] ...............  =
>vesto ......... vesti [to clothe, clothing] ... ~=
>topo .......... topo, to(abbrev.) [position, at] + with abbreviation
>digito ........ digita [finger, toe] ..........  ?
>functio ....... funktio [function, to function]  - if you dislike "K"
>harmono ....... harmoni [harmony] .............. + sounds better
>metro ......... metri [measure, measurement] ... + or - ?
>pendo ......... pende [to hang, hanging] .......  " "  "
>proximo ....... proxi [approximate, -ly] ....... + 'neater'
>tacto ......... takto [social tact]; taktile [touch] - "K"; + two words
>tendo ......... tende [intention, tendency] .... ~=
>volo .......... volu, vo(abbrev.) [will, wish, would] + with abbreviation
>espero ........ spe [to wish, wish] ............ -- shortened; + simplified
>hedo .......... hedo [enjoy] ................... =
>permito ....... permito [to permit, a permit] .. =; + can be 'noun' or 'verb'
>pheno ......... feno [seem, appear] ............ - no Greek "ph"; + simpler
>posso ......... posi [possibly, perhaps] ....... - no doubles; ? "I" not "O"
>preparo ....... prepara [to prepare, a preparation] ? different termial vowel
>proto ......... proto [start, starting] ........ =
>accido ........ acide [happening, to occur] .... -- need to know "c" -> CH
>acro .......... akro [top] ..................... ~= standard 'hard C' -> "k"
>activo ........ aktivi [to be active, actively]  - "K" but quite recognisable
>acuto ......... akuto [sharp, to sharpen] ...... -  "  "    "       "
>adhesio ....... adhesi [stick to] .............. + easier to say
>aero .......... aero [air] ..................... =
>aetio ......... etio [cause] ................... +/- ? non-Greek; simplified
>alieno ........ aliena [strange] ............... - ? terminal vowel
difference
>anemo ......... anemo [wind] ................... =
>archo ......... arki [highest, overarching] .... -- non-Greek; ++ simplified
>arrogo ........ aroganti, aroga(abbrev.) [arrogant] - no double, diff. vowel
>
>My question is also this, for those who know Glosa and/or Interglossa: Did
or did not Glosa lose something in the process of change from Interglossa?
i.e. The more universal ability to communicate? I'm not really up on either
of the lin, but I tend to like Interglossa better from what I see in the
book I have. I downloaded some time back the Glosa vocab. etc.
>
>Al l sue,
>Bob, x+
*   Interglossa was in the formative stage still, when Clark saw Hogben and
sought permission to continue the project.
    I really do not think that Interglossa had it all together, and I do
know that Clark tried, for a few years, to work within the Interglossa
framework
before he and Ashby decided to dispense with the formal grammar elements of
Interglossa altogether.
    BTW, in case anyone does try to read the Glosa added to this list, here
is the pronunciation code so you can get it right:-
 . There are only five vowel sounds; they are the standard five of Italian
- AH,
    AY, EE, OR, OO.
 . "c" is pronounced as CH in English; "k" is used for 'hard C' sound.
 . "s" and "g" are both pronounced hard; "j" sounds hard like English "Y".
 . "q" (without a "u") is sounded KW.
 . Other consonants have a general European pronunciation.
 
---------------
HOWEVER, I question Bob's harking back to WWII and Interglossa.  It was a
long while ago; there is no Interglossa promotion at present; to compare
these two related languages, I suggest that the totality of the languages
be taken into account.
    I have a lot of trouble trying to understand why people keep harking
back to Interglossa, when it seem all too obvious that Clark and Ashby have
progressed the form, through fiat and experimentation, knocking off square
edges as they went.
    This is, of course, a personal view.
 
Saluta,
 Robin

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