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CONLANG  November 1998, Week 2

CONLANG November 1998, Week 2

Subject:

List of natlangs (was Re: Orthography Question)

From:

Joshua Shinavier <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Joshua Shinavier <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:15:21 +0100

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Hello fellow language-makers

> So, does anyone have a preference / suggestion for which i should use?
> How do you represent foreign words/names in your conlangs?


This ties in with something I was thinking of asking about naming foreign
languages/countries in a conlang; what I usually do is to simply approximat=
e
the name using my conlang's phonetics, e.g. England --> "Ingland",
France --> "Frans", Austria --> "=D6styrrayx", whereby I always try to use =
the
*native* word as my model -- the problem being that I only know so many
languages even superficially, the rest I can't name unless I want to use
second-hand words, like English/German "Indonesian/Indonesisch" -->
"Indon=EBz=EFav=EBn", or "Indon=EBj=EFav=EBn", etc.  I once tried to system=
atically
name the major languages of the world by following Internet language links
and determining the native pronunciation of each language, but I spent a ma=
tter
of several hours on the project and had only gotten as far as Albanian, wit=
hout
even all the languages before that properly named, due to scanty material.
I was wondering if anyone else has had similar problems and whether conlang=
ers
would be interested in creating a list of as many languages/place names as
the collective lot of us know in their native pronunciations, to put on the
Internet somewhere as a permanent conlangers' resource (e.g. as part of the
Conlang FAQ).  The entries could be organized alphabetically by their Engli=
sh
names (I'm definitely not partial to English, but it's the standard Conlang
language...), with the pronunciation written in IPA.  For instance, some
simple entries might look like this:

Sweden:
  national language: --> Swedish
  in Swedish: Sverige ['sverijE]

Swedish:
  national language of --> Sweden
  in Swedish: Svenska ['svEnsk'A]

Switzerland:
  national languages:
    --> French (official language)
    --> German (official language)
    --> Italian (official language)
    --> Rhaeto-Romanish
  in French: Suisse [suis]
  in German: Schweiz [SvAjts]
  in Italian: Svizzera [svItzera] (I think...)
  in Rhaeto-Romanish: ... [...]
 =20
("..." means I'm not sure -- someone more knowledgeable about natlangs will
  have to fill in the blanks!)


Would this be useful?  If the rest of you CONLANGers are willing to lend yo=
ur
knowledge (especially the actual trained linguists on the list :), I could
put the list together from private e-mails and then post it here for genera=
l
use, scrutiny, and expansion.

Josh Shinavier

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