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CONLANG  November 1998, Week 3

CONLANG November 1998, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Another Orthography Question

From:

Christophe Grandsire <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 19 Nov 1998 08:36:43 +0100

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At 18:43 18/11/98 -0800, you wrote:
>Okay.  I'm back active after a long time.
>
>I've begun wotking on a new language, whose Anglicised name is Quryak.
>I'm developing the phonology tright now, but I need some help.  I want to
>know what are the IPA/SAMPA for (IE, how to show in ASCII)
>
>nasalised vowels

        I think using a tilda ~ before or after the vowel is the best way to
do it (just choose a place and keep it).

>o-slash (computer, how?)

        On my old computer, the 0 (zero) was just like that. But I think it
disappeared. If you make an HTML file, I think such a character already
exists (I saw it but don't use it).

>inverted lower case e (again, how to show in ascii)(NOT schwa!)

        It's not the schwa? So what is it?

>voiced interdental fricative
>voiceless "          "
>voiced velar fricative
>voiced welsh "ll"
>voiceledd welsh "ll"
>voiced strident apico-alveolar fricative trill (Czech r-hachek)
>voiceless palatal stop (IPA [c])
>voiced palatal stop (IPA barred undotted j)
>IPA inverted w
>glottal stop

        Generally ' is used.

>ejective k
>ejective t
>ejective p

        What I see is generally k', t' and p'. But the apostroph has so many
uses that it can be the worst solution.

>unreleased k
>unreleased t
>unreleased p
>clicks: Zulu x
>click: Zulu q

        A question related to clicks: what are they? (I mean, how are they
pronounced? Nobody has ever been able to explain me exactly what clicks=
 were).

>
>Once I have all these, I can give some examples.
>Beyond that, the other sounds:
>
>Vowels:
>
>a & e i I o o-slash u y inverted-e
>
>all of which can occur nasalised
>
>Consonants (in no particular order)
>
>dZ
>tS
>edh
>thorn
>gamma
>x
>j
>l
>voiced "ll"
>"ll" (Welsh)
>m
>n
>N (eng)
>r
>r-hachek
>z
>s
>Z
>S
>voiceless palatal stop
>voiced palatal stop
>w
>inverted w
>glottal stop (some Canadian Native langs use 7)

        That's an idea: try using numbers to modify the letters (it seems
odd but after a while we can get used to everything). The main advantage is
that you have 9 symbols (I don't count 0 (zero) that is to much like O).
Another idea: use capitalized and small letters with different values (like
in Klingon). Even if your system won't be universal, just prevent before
that you're using a special system (it's just two or three lines to add).

>ejective k
>ejective t
>ejective p
>unreleased k
>unreleased t
>unreleased p
>k
>t
>p
>Zulu q (click)
>Zulu x (click)
>
>
>-------ferke
>Ferenc Gy. Valoczy
>
>                      Es to pilni'gi noliedzu!
>
>Personal page: http://www.extra.hu/svejk/index.html
>Tu-134 page: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Museum/7482/
>railways page: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/3976/
>conlang page: http://members.tripod.com/~tuonela/
>Uralica: http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/3259/
>
>                    Zaradi politicnega delovanja
>                             je oblast
>                            v letu 1982
>                            razpustila:
>                              Svobodo
>
>                             (Laibach)
>
>
                                                Christophe Grandsire
                                                |Sela Jemufan Atlinan C.G.

"R=E9sister ou servir"

homepage: http://www.bde.espci.fr/homepage/Christophe.Grandsire/index.html

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