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AUXLANG  November 1998, Week 4

AUXLANG November 1998, Week 4

Subject:

Re: On Promotion of the IAL Ideal

From:

"Donald J. HARLOW" <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 25 Nov 1998 16:42:48 -0800

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Je 08:29 ptm 11/25/98 +0100, Michael FARRIS skribis (reage al Paul O.
BARTLETT):
 
>If you're promoting Ia and you read a story in the newspaper about Eo, don't
>write angry letters to the editor asking how they can promote such an
>abomination.
>
Has someone actually done this? I don't remember reading such a letter --
aimed in any direction. More likely is a spirited defense of Esperanto (or
Interlingua) when some total outsider says something _absolutely stupid_
about it, usually based on some a priori judgment of planned languages in
general.
 
>In other words, promote your IAL of choice, and if someone asks you about
>another one, called, let's say, Kosmoranto, say "Ah yes Kosmoranto, I know
>very litle about it myself, but I know some people in Norway and Greece are
>using it."  Don't "Oh, awful, that verb derivation infix pattern is just all
>wrong, and they changed all the LAtin 'qu's into 'f's!!!! Can you believe
>it????"
>
Out in public in person, my response to such a question is usually just a
simple "No."
>
>Many, maybe most, people when they realize they've stumbled on something
>that people have been acrimoniously arguing about for decades on end, have a
>strong desire to run the other way as quickly as possible. I suggest we
>don't pander to this entirely laudable human survival trait.
>
>Are you listening Jay-Bob-Don-James?
>
>I speak from personal experience here as I've come close to quitting this
>list in disgust more than once. People that enjoy arguing for the sake of
>arguing are few and far between and tend to drive folks away faster than a
>leak of Methane gas.
>
I think it would be well to realize that Auxlang (where we can all let our
hair down) is not the real world. Not even representative of it.
 
>Yes, advocate what you believe in but don't dump on others. Let's put it
>this way, many US universities advertise language courses, can you imagine
>what would happen if you started seeing flyers "Learn French! Spanish is for
>donkeys!" or "Learn Italian, after all German is pretty awful!"
>
Check out the annual flyers for the San Francisco State summer Esperanto
workshop, for instance, and let me know how many criticisms of Ido,
Occidental, Interlingua etc. you find in them. (Last year's is still up at
my site -- http://www.best.com/~donh/Esperanto/sfsu/)
 
I don't remember any course advertising for Esperanto (at least around
here) that ever even _mentions_ Interlingua &c. Why give them free
advertising? (This, of course, leads to the "conspiracy of silence" theory,
to which you yourself have referred on other occasions.)
 
>Pretend all IAL's are natural languages and you don't want to be sued for
>being politically incorrect.
>
???
 
>1) Esperanto - Tremendous potential, but too much like a religion. Knowing
>what I know about linguistics and language and communication, I just can't
>take much of the Esperantist agenda very seriously. When I hear or read "The
>accusative is necessary because you can't have free word order without it"
 
Hmm... I've always heard that as "the accusative is desirable because it
contributes to freer word order". With which I agree, incidentally, having
also spoken a couple of other languages which (mostly)* _don't_ have an
accusative.
 
  *Mostly -- both English and Danish retain accusative pronoun
   forms.
 
>or "We can't do anything about the accents because it wouldn't be 100 %
>fonetic like it is now!" or other musty pearls from the vaultkeeper's crypt
 
Hmm... I've generally heard that as "we can't do anything about the accents
because not much of anybody who speaks the language really wants to."
 
>I advocate an agressive-pro-active relationship to
>the basic elements to the grammar instead of the passive-conformist approach
>that reigns in Esperantujo.
>
Unfortunately, in languages that are actually spoken by any number of
people, the passive-conformist approach to the basic elements of the
grammar is a _sine qua non_, since that is the general attitude of almost
all speakers. Which is why, in most English-speaking communities, people
still say "am, is, are" instead of just "be", and why they still spell
"lite" as "light". (There is also the question of whether a different
approach to a particular element would be any better than the one currently
in use.)
 
 
-- Don HARLOW
http://www.webcom.com/~donh/
(English version: http://www.webcom.com/~donh/dona.html)

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