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CONLANG  November 1998, Week 4

CONLANG November 1998, Week 4

Subject:

Re: adj/adv phrases, was inalienable possession

From:

"Mathias M. Lassailly" <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 22 Nov 1998 21:57:25 -0000

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Charles wrote :

> If yours actually already works, it is ahead of mine.

It doesn't because I never learned the vocabulary !

> I see that DEL has 4 basic verb voices, similar to my TOM.

http://www.catty.com/~catty/lang/tomato.htm (out-dated).
>
A very good job is that one ! Outdated ? Now updating, it seems. Where are TOM's voices ? Can't find them. DEL has no passive but an *antipassive* and TOM looks like that since *femo vadu* seems to mean *the girl attracts* rather than *the girl is gone to by*.

I think it's difficult to cram a factitive voice in TOM's verbs because it would break the nice bipolar arrangement so I suggest :
*viro faciu meso vadu femo*
*femo vadi meso facui viro*
But this does not allow a straight deriving like would be :

active : to see >< to appear : (anti)passive
active factitive : to show >< to display : passive factitive

for that you need a third argument and this would impair TOM's symetry.

For subclauses (not adjectives) I suggest *o* as 'the latter' :
*viro, o faciu femo vadi meso*
*femo, viro faciu o vadi meso*
*meso, femo vadi o facui viro*
etc. etc.
This is one of its relative-clause and preposition
> avoidance techniques (there are many):
>
> market go   I    buy    flour
> merako vadu meso haceti farino
>
I never dared do that. I surrendered and made inserted subclauses.

> TOM also has a "stative" form adding the adjectival
> ending "-a" to the verb "-i" (active) and "-u" (passive)
> endings to make "-au" and "-ai" as in:
>
> saqkola luno ... luno saqkolau ... saqkolai luno
> ruddy moon ..... moon is ruddy ... ruddy is the moon
>
*stative* is a kind of verb to me, while *adjective* is a degree of integration more than subclause and less than compound word.

> But true causatives would require serial verbs.
> I suppose a "causative stative" would be possible
> during a lunar eclipse:
>
> luno saqkolau       suno ... suno saqkolai     luno
> moon is reddened by sun  ... sun  blood-colors moon
>
>
that would mix 'active' and 'factitive'. It's ok with intransitive verbs like TOM's 'statives', but what if you have a factitive of a transitive verb with already 2 arguments like 'femo vadi meso' ?

Mathias



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