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AUXLANG December 1998, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Occidental un lingue garantisantmen mort

From:

"Robert J. Petry" <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:02:44 -0700

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Don HARLOW wrote:
 
> Bob PETRY skribis:
>
> > Don HARLOW wrote:
> >
> > > [kut]
> > >
> > > Assuming that what Emerson wrote is a more-or-less accurate rendition
> > > of what's written on the page in question, the person who wrote it
> > > was (a) ignorant, (b) disingenuous or (c) (something else a bit
> > > stronger).
> >
> > It's dangerous to be an "assumer". Sometimes the "assumptions" we propound as
> > fact are actually wrong.
> >
> (1) Which is why you should always specify your assumptions, as I
> did...
>
 
It's safer not to assume. And, it is more inaccurate than accurate.
 
>
> (2) And are we to suppose from this that what Emerson wrote is _not_
> more-or-less accurate?
 
It is inaccurate until he clarifies what he meant as I ask below. And, it's not
always safe to suppose either. I would just suggest the proper thing to do is to
check for onesself and make sure. And, besides, there is nothing on that page that
even compares to wrong stories about an individual who cannot today defend himself.
 
And, I would also suggest a rereading of Emerson's post about squiggly things. He
was referring to another site, not mine at that point. Then he goes to my page and
begins to criticise the Esperanto article there. So, it doesn't pay to assume. And,
if he did not mean it the way he wrote the post about the squiggly signs on the
first page then he should explain what he means about them and where he found them.
Now, so you don't have to assume that I am making this up, here is the full copy of
his post.
 
"Re: Occidental un lingue garantisantmen mort
 By emerson alcott @ICONTECH.COM
                                                    Sunday
                                             December 13, 1998
                                                05:49 PM PST
 
 
Robert J. Petry epenom:
 
 
  Here's the url: http://www.way.com/~ronm/
 
 
Unfortunately, I came across some difficulty trying to get the program. When I
clicked on the link, it just led me to a page with a whole lot of pretty
characters that didn't make much sense.
[Please note, the above is before going to my interlingue page. So, was he making
fun of the person's page who created the free learning software program, which he
said he had difficulty getting, to discourage others from going there to get the
free program, or what? Maybe he didn't want others going there and getting the
information so they would have no chance to learn Occidental. So, Maybe he should
explain better what he meant.]
However, I did go to
http://interlingue.webjump.com and found some interesting things.
    First, I followed the link "Esperantistoj" to a page in Esperanto declaring
the merits of Interlingue. I was only mildly surprised to see that the first
paragraph mentioned how they (the interlingue-ists) were 'sorry' they couldn't
find a font to accomodate the supersigns 'anywhere' and that 'unfortunately'
we'd just have to do without them. Well, Interlingue must be associated with
blindness as well, because I don't see how they could've missed the numerous
fonts that are currently available.
[Well, those fonts weren't available when the article was written, it is still a
problem today, so there is no real mistake in this article about Esperanto, and is
a poor attempt to defend a known problem as if it doesn't still exist. Please read
the archives about this subject of Esperanto fonts and the problems they still
cause this very day, and I was not even a part of those discussions. Bob]
I guess it's just convenience.
    Secondly, although I didn't read thru the entire propaganda page, I did
notice they used the word 'existas', which obviously does _not_ exist
in Esperanto. I wonder if this was a mistake, or just a
convenience. Anyway, see for yourself, the link's above.
 
[Great Big deal, fonts and one mispelled word. And, how would putting in an X for
KZ be a convenience? So, where is the inaccuracy in the article content about
Esperanto? And, as I asked Ken, what is it there that causes an Esperantist not to
be able to understand what is being said. Esperanto can't be read by
non-Esperantists so Esperantists don't have to be worried about being ill spoken of
to the world in their own language since the world can't read it. This nonsense
about "fonts" and the letter "x" does no damage at all to the article's content. In
fact, this kind of arguing only substantiates Occidental's tenet more.]
 
[Bob, x+0~]
 
amike,
 
_________________________________________________________
 
Emerson Alcott
 
>
>
> --Don HARLOW
> http://www.webcom.com/~donh/
> (English version: http://www.webcom.com/~donh/dona.html)

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