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AUXLANG  December 1998, Week 3

AUXLANG December 1998, Week 3

Subject:

Why not Occidental?

From:

"Robert J. Petry" <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 13 Dec 1998 23:55:46 -0700

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Kjell scrit:
 
 
> As I have said: I think there were both factors inside the langauge itselfas outside it that lead to the
> disintegration of the Occidental movement.My impression from reading the old volumes of
> Cosmoglota, that I couldborrow from the Town Library here, is that they were mostly engaged
> inpolemics against Esperantists and Idoists, and then with Interlingua.Instead of using the language for
> something worth wile, they werediscussing....
>
The original, and continuing purpose of Kosmoglott, then Cosmoglotta
was simply to present, compare and discuss the various IAL's. That
was it's purpose. And, that is, as I mentioned before, one of the
reasons Occidental did not gain a "following" to the extent of
Esperanto, and why most of the people in the beginning, and even
later, came from other IAL's versus from the general public.
Esperantists should be commended for presenting their material more
directly to the public, and as ILa seems to be doing today also.
Occidentalists missed the boat on this one. They kept their audience
mainly to the small group of individuals who liked to debate and
study these kinds of things. Similar to the auxlang list. It will
supposedly never grow into the thousands because it's focus is to a
select few. However, in 1999 Occidental/Interlingue, along with Rap
Lin Ri will be presented to the public in a major way, and keep the
comparison material on the side, so to speak, for those who like that
kind of discussion and study. But, the new effort will present
material in Interlingue/Occ to the public, and not material about the
language. Like picking up Time magazine. It doesn't explain English,
but uses English to present the news.
 
One can very well say that the two languages are so similar that
whenOccidentalists went over to
Interlingua, they were actually changingdialects.
Good point I think.
 
The superficial structures are very similar, but when you begin to
useOccidental actively, going from
Interlingua, as I am trying to do, you seethat the whole methodology
of word selection and the
grammatical system isdifferent. One can perhaps say that the two
languages reach the same goalby very
different approaches.
 
Here is part VIII of a series I am presently publishing to the
Interlingue list. You might find it interesting considering Kjell's
comment here. i.e. structures  - similar, methodology - word
selection - different, same - different approaches.
 
 
Part VIII
 
On advere di nos que por tis qui ne ama o ne comprende li formes
latin, li ILa-dictionarie furni un tot serie de formes colateral plu
modern queles on posse usar ad libitum. In facte, li coexistentie de
formes arcaic e formes modern es un del trates maxim caracteristic de
 
ILa. Li consequentie es, quam notat Prof. Martinet, que li lingue
superabunda in exact sinonimes. Talmen noi have li duplettes
equo/cavallo, sagitta/flecha, igne/foco, orar/precar, juvar/auxiliar,
 
bello/guerra, abluer/lavar, eder/mangiar/manducar, exequer/executar,
injicer/injectar, inspicer/inspectar, eximer/exemptar etc. (por plu
mult exemples ples vider li articul ARCAISME O MODERNITA de Sr.
Boutreux in Cosmoglotta A 175, pag. 21).
 
It es fo'rsan permisset questionar se, quel real progress e quel
practic avantage li scientic metodes de IALA representa in
comparation con tis de De Wahl. Li resultat es sat curiosi. De un
la'tere li extremmen liberal interpretation del notion
"internationalita'" producte un enorm nu'mere de exact sinonimes
latin/modern (ex: potar/biber). Ma de altri la'tere ti sam principie
contribue a favorisar sistematicmen li elementes latin e a barrar li
via al formes modern (ex.: emer/comprar). Or, si li radica latin, pro
 
su internationalita' potential, es bon, quel beson noi have alor por
duplicar it per un radica modern? Si, in contrari, ti radica modern
es considerat quam i'ndispensabil, quel utilita' presenta alor li
arcaic? Nequel!
 
Esque adminim li procede del prototip etimologic aporta nos alquel
avantage? No. Nam durant que li aplication del principie de
internationalita' favorisa li elementes latin, li prototipe quel
interveni in li fixation del form del paroles vivent, have quam sol
resultate ti de demodernisar == arcaisar li formes (ex. cognoscer,
distraher etc.). _In resume': li enorm summas investit per IALA
instudies etimologic ha ductet a ti resultate paradoxal, que in
realita' li tot sistema functiona in modo vermen satisfactori solmen
quande li formes resultant es per hasard identic a tis del lingues
vivent, i.e. a tis queles De Wahl successat obtener per su propri
metodes "non-scientic"._
 
[va esser continuat in Part IX]
 
Amic,
Bob, x+0~

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