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AUXLANG  December 1998, Week 3

AUXLANG December 1998, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Part XVI Interlingue e Interlingua

From:

"Robert J. Petry" <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 20 Dec 1998 21:54:52 -0700

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STAN MULAIK wrote:
 
> Robert J. Petry ha scripte:
>
> >Conclusion continuat:
> >
> >Ma lass nos posir li discussion sur un altri plan. Lass nos admisser
> >por un moment con li adherentes de ILa, que li principie del n.k. es
>      [n.k.?]
> >tam valorosi que it justifica, in nor opinion, li total sacrificie
> >del simplicita' e regularita'.
>
> Isto es un total misrepresentation.  Interlingua ha un schematicitate e
> regularitate que vos non vide proque vos non ha studiate le maniera in
> que integre familias (serie) de parolas es recercate pro determinar non
> solmente le thema del familia, mais le prototypic formas del affixos
> trans multe serie derivational. Mais iste schematicitate es multo
> natural, international, e ben recognoscibile.  Assi a dicer "li total
> sacrificie del simplicita' e regularita'" es incorrecte.
 
Yo pensa que it es rect, e noi va vider bentost. E it ne es un tot misrepresentation.
 
Il non ha un
 
> total sacrificio del simplicitate e regularitate in interlingua. Non
> exaggera!
 
Ne es ti-ci un exaggeration.
 
> [kut]
>
> Per exemplo, considera le verbo "poter":
>
> poter; potente; potentato; potentia - potentilla, potential - potentialitate,
> plenipotentia, etc.; impotente, impotentia; prepotente, prepotentia;
> armipotente, etc.; omnipotente, omnipotentia etc.
 
In Occidental li parol es "potent"
potent -ie
potential
potentat
omnipotent
inpotent
etc.
 
>
>
> Nota le affixos, -ente, -ato, -entia, -illa, -ial, -itate, pre-, armi-
> omni-.  Illos es trovate in multe altere serie.
>
> In espaniol on ha "poder" <   v. lat. "potere"
>             Ital. "potere" <  v. lat. "potere"
>             fran. "pouvior" < v. lat. "potere"
>
> "*potere" veniva in latino vulgar de un "refection" del auxiliari "posse"
> in latino in le presentia de "potens", e in parallel con *volere <
> _velle_ in le presentia de "volens".
>
> Occidental usa le thema "posser" (vide infra) pro poter, e il non es
> possibile a vader de iste thema a "potente", "potential", que es clarmente
> international.  Le ration es que de Wahl pare haber misidentificate le
> thema de "possibile" como le thema del serie de "poter", mais in facto,
> "possibile" es derivate de "posse" < lat. adj. _potis, pote_ (poter) + essere
> (esser).  Vide Webster's:
 
De Wahl dit que ti-ci parol potent esset egal a li F puissant, A powerful, mighty, D ma"chtig, P poderoso, Sv
ma"ktig, va"ldig, etc.
E si on va leer li definition de german, etc. ili va discover li information usat che de Wahl.
 
Li parole posser esset egal a li German, ko"nnen;
v. to be able; to know; to be possible; to be permitted.
 
Occidental ne es un latinic lingue.
 
>
> possible  adj  [ME, fr. MF, fr. L possibilis, fr. posse to be able, fr. potis, pote (able) + esse (to be)].
>
> IALA notava que "posse" es un differente thema que "poter", derivate de un
> fusion del adjectivo "potis" con "esser".  Il non es un exemplo de un forma
> supinal.
>
> Il ha le separate serie derivational in interlingua:
>
> possibile, possibilitate; impossibile, impossibilitate
>
 
Occidental es:
pos(s)ibil
pos(s)ibilita'
inpos(s)ibil
inpos(s)ibilita'
 
>
> Un altere serie:
>
> poner [pon-/posit-/post-] {v. to put, place, lay, etc.} In le sequente
>    "&c" significa un plen serie derivational basate super le parola:
>
>    posite (supinal participio passate), position, positive, positivimente,
>    positivitate, positivismo; positura; posticie; postura &c; posto, postar;
>    posta, postal; anteponer &c; apponer &c; componer, composition, &c;
>    contraponer &c; deponer (depositar. depositario, deposition, deposito);
>    deponer &c; exponer (exposition, expositive, expositor); interponer
>    (interposition, interpositional); opponer (opposition, oppositional,
>    opponente, opposite, opposito); preponer &c; postponer &c; juxtaponer &c;
>    preponer &c; proponer (p.e. proponente, proposition, proposito, proponitor);
>    superponer &c; transponer &c; poneminas, etc.
>
> "poner" es le base de un grande serie derivational con affixos regular e
> universal.  Vos pote sequer lo in le IED a su varie subserie.
 
Occidental usa posir (F poser, mettre, A to place, to set, to put, I posare, porre, S poner, P po^r(?),
collocar D setzen, stellen, legen, Sv sta"lla, sa"tta, la"gga, ...
pos
posir
pose
position
positiv
apposition
composition
composor
depositoria
dispos
expos
inpos
oppos
propos
repos
supos
transpos
prepos
preposition
[kut]
 
Amic,
Bob,x+0~

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