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AUXLANG January 1999, Week 1

Subject:

Humbugs

From:

Charles <[log in to unmask]>

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International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 2 Jan 1999 20:50:11 +0000

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I tripped and fell over this URL, an archive of The Linguist List:
http://www.ai.univie.ac.at/archives/Linguist/Vol-7-1400-1499/0062.html
containing some provocative ideas ...
 
> I could sit down this moment, write up a fairly
> useless langauge - and if I and a few other adults used it exclusively
> around children from birth they would learn it. That is they way
> children are. But it would show the signs of not having been a primary
> language in that it would have grave dificiencies of expression - and
> there would be no internal geometry or logic save what I imposed on
> it. It would seem more regular to the eye - but less regular in that
> the reasons for the regularity and irregularity are arbitrary. Simply
> because being a native tongue is means towards this process does not
> mean that it is *sufficent* for it.
 
... and ...
 
> Anecdote has it that Charles Darwin's students once decided to play a
> joke on him. They caught and dismembered several insects and, taking
> each body part from a different donor, glued together a hitherto
> unseen creature, which they brought to Darwin. `We caught this bug in
> the garden,' they declared. `Can you tell us what it is?' Darwin
> eyed the fabulous monster briefly. `Did it hum when you caught it?'
> he inquired. `Yes,' the students replied, nudging one another.
> `Well, then,' Darwin said, `it is a hum-bug.'
 
> I don't find it hard to believe that `the creators of all artificial
> languages have failed to imitate [...] the properties which make a
> language a natural language' (JL 7-1350). The universal properties
> which (we believe) characterise natural languages, which must be
> present in them in order to make them acquirable by the human mind,
> and which it is our errand (as linguists) to explicate and motivate
> are not at all trivial, and no one has ever had exhaustive conscious
> knowledge of them (whether anyone ever will is a separate issue). How
> likely is it, then, for any creator of an artificial language to have
> imitated them flawlessly? Do we really know for a fact that there is
> nothing about the structure of Esperanto, Volapu"k, Klingon or Lojban
> that would allow a Martian linguist (or, for that matter, a Terran
> one) to identify them as humbugs?
 
I don't know if this line of thought has been discussed
here before, maybe it has. Anyway, worth considering.

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