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AUXLANG  January 1999, Week 1

AUXLANG January 1999, Week 1

Subject:

Prototypes and questions

From:

Kjell Rehnstrom <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 1 Jan 1999 11:38:42 +0100

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In a previous message Stan quoted Don I think:
>>"5. Harmony ('belsoneco') should be a goal (true for both Esperanto and
>>Interlingua).
>>
Could one translate _belsoneco_ as _euphony_? On my first glance at
_harmony_ my thoughts went to _congruence_. This is a question and not a
suggestion, as I am not competent in translating anything into English.
 
>>"10. The principle according to which only one concept must correspond to a
>>word and only one word must correspond to a concept is to be followed as
>>closely as possible (true for Esperanto, but not for Interlingua).
>
>This principle suggests linguistic naivite.  The metaphoric nature of
>language rules against this. It also goes counter to Wittgenstein's
>realization that most words are "family resemblance" words with shades
>of meaning shading off into one another.
 
I think you have to study this using at least two different languages as
references. Take English and Interlingua _number_ and _numero_
respectively. Esperanto makes a distinction between _numero_ (the
mathematical number) and _nombro_ (the exact multitude of something. La
nombro da personoj_. If one does not translate morpheme for morpheme one
can get around this in interlingua by translating _nombro da personoj_ as
_quantitate de personas_. As far as I remember Esperanto does not
differentiate _numero_ (number) from _issue_ (numero de gazeto. This is a
typically English usage) or take the Russian word _nomer_ which is the
mathematical number, the issue of a magasine and a hotel room. A Russian
not thinking about this may say: Venu al la numero. (In Swedish a _nummer_
can denote a _coitus_. So the more languages you have at your disposal when
deciding the significance, the better).
 
As for Interlingua some users have used _lettera_ to mean _posted letter_
and _littera_ to mean the letters of the alphabete.
 
Sometimes - as with the words for _time_ and _weather_ the attempts to
create a certain word for wether depends from the non-romance languages
that many of the interlinguans speak. For _time_ you can use _hora_ como in
le linguas romance: hora de Greenwich_ GMT_ _hora svedese_ Swedish time.
Ille ha venite a hora = He has come in time. It's fine weather today. Il
face belle tempore hodie.
 
Many language use the same word for time and weather: Romance, Croat,
Hungarian and some that I don't know of.
 
My conclusion is that it can be a good thing to introduce schematic forms
for notions that are in many European languages but not in the Romance. I
for one feel the lack in Interlingua of a word for _early_ = de bon hora,
que es in
esperanto = frue
germano = fru(umlaut)h
espaniol = temprano
russo: ranno
polonese: wczesnie
svedese: tidigt
finnese: aikaisin, varhaisin
 
The argument for the introduction of a schematic word for _early_ is that
you would then have the antonyms
_early vs late_
------ vs tard(iv)e
in Interlingua, BUT then you might have discussions of what word that would
be, and you could not show to the principles of word selection in
interlingua. But if I woud disign my own language I would certainly include
a word for _early_ being not only _a bon hora_-ish.
 
Then comes:
>>"So we clearly see: in 1937 IALA proposed criteria which for the most part
>>resembled those defended by the autonomist school: a phonological
>>orthography, logical ( = analogic) derivation which should be regular and
>>autonomous, possibility of _a priori_ characteristics in the basic
>>structure of the language.
>>
>>"Evidently, the neo-Romanticists of the time strongly protested against
>>their criteria. Interlingua, as we see, was in any case _not_ created by
>>applying these criteria."
 
If you take the international vocabulary and try to put it to work using
more phonetic spelling you will see that many will lose their possibility
to understand the text. Even the alternative spelling suggested in the
Interlingua Grammar is disturbing to a lot of people.
 
Pro: As interlingua is spreading over the English/French/Italian
"understanders" over to users of Scandinavian, Finnish, Estonian, Baltic,
Slavic and other languages, there will be a greater interest in the
simplified spelling. So the more as the spelling of Interlingua not always
is consistent, to put it in a kind way. It should be possible to write
interlingua without always having to look up words in a dictionary, as we
certainly will have to wait for an Interlingua spellchecker.
 
Con: As long as the dominant languages in our part of the world are written
as they are, it is of educational value to introduce people to the
traditional spelling in Interlingua. Writing much in Interlingua my English
spelling has become better! (You don't believe this, but you should have
seen it before I knew Interlingua! :-)
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Kjell Rehnstroem
Vaenortsgatan 87
S-752 64  UPPSALA
Svedia - Sweden

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