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AUXLANG  January 1999, Week 1

AUXLANG January 1999, Week 1

Subject:

Re: Gode's Letter

From:

"Donald J. HARLOW" <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 3 Jan 1999 18:29:47 -0800

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Je 08:28 ptm 1/3/99 +0200, Robin TURNER skribis:
 
>Kjell Rehnstrom wrote:
>
>> Now for Gode's letter:
>> This is a truism: spoken language is _never_ affected by the orthography.
>> Orthography doesn't even enter into the speaking aspect of a language.
>> Orthography is a means of matching up the _written_ language with the
>> _spoken_ language. When it fails to do so (as is often the case in English)
>> it is the orthography that is at fault, not the spoken language, by
>definition.
>
>[massive cut]
>
>In fact, orthography does occasionally influence pronunciation.  An example
>is the
>Anglicisation of Chinese words such as "tao" (pronounced with a /t/ in
>English but
>a /d/ in Mandarin).  These were originally transcribed in Wade-Giles
>romanisation,
>then pronounced according to English phonology by people unfamiliar with this
>rather idiosyncratic system.
>
>Another interesting etymological/orthographical case ....
>
>The English word "female" was originally spelt and pronounced "femmel", and is
>etymologically unrelated to "male".  Later, (in the renaissance, if I remember
>rightly) scholars decided that it _was_ related, and changed the spelling,
>despite
>the absence of any "fe-" prefix - a bit like deciding that "feline" derives
>from
>"lion".  This revised spelling gave rise to the modern pronunciation.  I
>actually
>read one feminist refusing to use the word "female" because she believed it
>derived
>from "male", but then bad etymology has always been a curse of politics (as
>in the
>infamous "herstory" case, or a Turkish fundamentalist politician's
>pronouncement
>that "democracy" meant "rule by demons").
>
(1) Of the segment you attribute to Kjell, only the first line is his; I
take responsibility for the rest.
 
(2) Your second example does suggest that "never" should be "extremely
rarely", but I'm not sure I would accept the first, at least in the spirit
in which I was talking. The Wade-Giles spelling of the word never affected
its pronunciation in its own language, Chinese; and in any case I, and many
other people I know, generally would say "dao" today, no matter how it's
written (e.g. in "The Tao of Pooh").
 
 
-- Don HARLOW
http://www.webcom.com/~donh/
(English version: http://www.webcom.com/~donh/dona.html)

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