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AUXLANG  January 1999, Week 1

AUXLANG January 1999, Week 1

Subject:

Re: Slovenly Dialect in conIAL Literature

From:

"Donald J. HARLOW" <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 3 Jan 1999 19:36:19 -0800

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Je 09:51 ptm 1/3/99 -0500, Paul O. BARTLETT skribis:
 
>    My immediate curiosity is how Esperanto would handle what is
>sometimes called slovenly dialect in translations, but the general
>question would apply for both original and translated literature in
>any conIAL.  Consider the following excerpt from chapter twenty of
>David Eddings' fantasy novel, "The Sapphire Rose":
>
>      Oh, 'at bunch.  You shoulda tole me 'bout ape-face right
>      off.  They rode thoo here 'bout daylight yestiddy mornin'.
>      'At 'ere gorilla ye was talkin' about, he clumb down off'n
>      his horse an' he come in here bellerin' fer ale.  He don't
>      talk none too good, does he?
>
>How would Esperanto (or any other conIAL) translate a passage like this
>and keep the characteristics of the illiterate speaker's diction?
>
Can't answer for others (languages or translators). For the old east-end=
 sailor
in the first chapter of "Tarzan" (my translation), the conversation went as
follows:
 
---
 
"H'infero pagi=F8os, sinjor', sur =E6i boato, ja kredu min, sinjor'.=20
H'infero pagi=F8os."
 
"Mi ne komprenas, sinjoro," diris Clayton.
 
"Nu, =E6u vi ne vidis, kio h'okazas? =C6u vi ne h'a=FDdis tiun=20
diablidon-=FEipestron kaj liajn matojn senlumigi la duonon h'el=20
la =FEipanaro?
 
"Du kapojn frakasitajn 'iera=FD kaj tri 'odia=FD. Nigra=20
Mi=B6aelo tute resani=F8is, kaj ne tiu =FEipulo toleros tian, ne=20
li, ja kredu min, sinjor'."
 
"Estimata sinjoro, =E6u vi volas diri, ke la =FEipanoj pripensas=20
ribelon?" demandis Clayton.
 
"Ribelon!" elkra=E6is la maljunulo. "Ribelon! H'ili h'intencas=20
murdon, sinjor', ja kredu min pri tio, sinjor'."
 
"Kiam?"
 
"Tio h'okazos, sinjor'; tio h'okazos, sed mi ne diros kiam,=20
kaj mi jam tro damninde multan diris, sed vi kondutis bone=20
h'anta=FD tagoj, kaj mi h'opiniis justa, h'averti vin. Sed fiksu=20
la langon h'en la bu=FEo, kaj kiam vi h'a=FDdas pafadon, subeniru=20
kaj restu tie.
 
"Jen =E6io, nur fiksu la langon h'en la bu=FEo, h'alie h'oni=20
kuracos vin per plumba pilolo, ja kredu min, sinjor'," kaj=20
la maljunulo da=FDrigis sian poluradon, kiu forkondukis lin=20
de la loko, kie staris gesinjoroj Clayton.
 
---
 
Jim, from "Huck Finn", chap. 14 (only one paragraph -- the entire chapter=
 can
be found at
 
http://www.best.com/~donh/Esperanto/Literaturo/Noveloj/Huckleberry_Finn.html
 
"Kiu? Mi?  Tute ne.  Ne parolu al _mi_ pri tiuj celoj.  Mi s'pozas, ke mi=
 scias
sencon, kiam mi a=FDdas tion; kaj tute ne 'stas senco en tia konduto.  La=
 'sputo
ne temis pri neniu duoninfano; la 'sputo temis pri tuta 'fano; kaj la homo,=
 kiu
kredas, ke li povas solvi 'sputon pri tuta 'fano per duoninfano, li e=E6 ne=
 sa=F8as
sufi=E6e por =FEirmi sin de la pluvo.  Ne parolu al mi pri Solamano, Hu=E6jo=
, mi bone
konas lin."
 
Mark Twain, of course, claimed that _all_ his characters spoke with
accurately-depicted accents from various parts of the Missouri and south in
which he lived. That I can't claim to be able to duplicate in Esperanto.
 
---
 
Unfortunately, my translation of chap. 2 of "The Hobbit" is in another=
 machine
right now, but I can say that for the conversation between the three trolls=
 I
called upon Ido to provide some of the morphology and syntax in the=
 translation
(and changed the names of the trolls to Luizo, Otto and Vilhelmo -- one=
 must,
after all, keep one's audience in mind).
 
As to Eddings, I'm not sure why anybody would translate him -- he started=
 off
strong with "Pawn of Prophecy", but after a few books his witty dialogue and
irreverent characters started getting very annoying. However, for the=
 passage
you give, here's a (very preliminary) first hack in Esperanto
 
"Ha, tjuloj. Vi devis tuje infomi min pri simiviza=F8a. Ili trarajdis =E6ije=
ne =E6e
suni=F8', hiermatena. =C6ijena goril', tjun vi priparolis, tju malsaltas de=
 la
=E6aval' kaj anvenas =E6ijene, kaj prihurlas elon. Li nenjel tro bone=
 parlas, =E6u?"
 
 
-- Don HARLOW
http://www.webcom.com/~donh/
(English version: http://www.webcom.com/~donh/dona.html)

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