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CONLANG  March 1999, Week 2

CONLANG March 1999, Week 2

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Re: Future of Spanish

From:

Carlos Thompson <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 11 Mar 1999 22:13:07 -0500

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FFlores wrote:

> Nik Taylor <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Perhaps /kj/ and /gj/ could be
> > palatized (if those clusters even exist).
>
> They exist. The k and g (and <j> =3D /x/) have palatal allophones
> before /e, i, j/, but they are perfectly distinct from the
> alveolo-palatal sound.

Well... I have been trying to look closely to my own pronunciation... an =
it
seams there is a little fronting of the /k/, /g/, /G/ before front vowels=
 (and
little more fronted when followed by /j/) but never palatal.  As for <j>,
around here, in Colombia, it is uvular /h/ so there is no palatal allopho=
ne.

>
> [snip]
> > Perhaps n~ might be lost, either
> > moving forward to /n/, or back to /N/, or perhaps becoming /nj/
> > (probably unlikely).  Maybe it would lose its nasality to become /j/ =
(I
> > think I've read of dialects that do that)
>
> The one change I have observed here is that <n~i> is
> becoming /ni/. /(nj)i/ is very difficult to pronounce!
> The sound itself is very rare in Spanish, and n~i is
> extremely rare (the only example I can think of is
> <compan~i'a> "company").

a=F1il (an~il).  They are still /kompa'Jia/ and /a'Jil/ around here.

> > Loss of the subjunctive?  If there were influence from English,
> > that might be likely.
>
> Oh, no, our poor subjunctive! :-(

Ojal=E1 no se vaya. ... ojal=E1 no se est=E9 yendo
Ojala no se va. ... ojal=E1 no se est=E1 yendo

> What might happen is that one of the alternative forms of
> the subjunctive disappears (I mean, you may say "pasara" or
> "pasase", "viera" or "viese", "matara" or "matase" and the
> pairs mean exactly the same! That can't be good for the economy)

I would bet for the -ara, -iera for stay... but I guess speakers won't be=
t for
economy in this issue.

> >
> > Orthographical changes:
> > Elimination of b/v distinction
> > Elimination of ll/y distinction (most LatAm dialects fuse those, yes?=
)
> > Elimination of h (except maybe where it's needed to distinguish betwe=
en
> > homophones, like ha/a)
>
> I hope those take place. And also the uniformation of g/j
> (that <g> =3D /g/, not /g, x/), the elimination of z, the change
> c > s when c =3D /s/, and some kind of rule as to when to write
> <cc> (or <cs>) and when <x> for /ks/. The c/s problem is
> particularly upsetting when a word ends in /'sjon/.

YEESSSS!  But it would make guys like me even more confused for getting t=
he
correct -tion, -sion, -ssion ending in English.

> --Pablo Flores
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>  A study of economics usually reveals that the
>  best time to buy anything is last year.
>                                          Marty Allen

Would this apply for computer related stuff?

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