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CONLANG  March 1999, Week 2

CONLANG March 1999, Week 2

Subject:

Re: Strange phonology

From:

Padraic Brown <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:34:58 -0500

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>Sarra la Cawurn yscreus:
>> FFlores escribio:
>> 1) Have you ever heard of an aspirated trill?
>> I'm sure I've seen it somewhere, represented as
>> <rh>, which would be /r/ with a simultaneous
>> aspiration. I mean, it looks possible, but I don't
>> know if it exists anywhere and if it could contrast
>> with a non-aspirated trill /r/.
>
>Teonaht has one, which it contrasts with a non-aspirated
>trilled "r":  hr and r.   Welsh might have what you call
>an aspirated trill, as in Rhonabwy, but I've only really
>ever heard it as a kind of hissed "flap."  That's not
>describing it very well.

Kernu has that as well, also spelled 'rh'; and I believe Brithenig
'rh' is pronounced the same.  At least _I_ pronounce it that way!

> Adam Walker wrote:
>
> > >FFlores wrote:
> > >
> > >> 4) I just produced a sound more or less like the
> > >> one a child might produce when he sticks out the
> > >> tip of his tongue between his teeth, and blows.
> > >> I found in this way you can produce a trill
> > >> (makes your lower lip shake) or an approximant
> > >> (air going between the tongue and the lower lip),
> > >> though I don't know if they exist in any language,
> > >> or how to call them. What do you think?
>
> So basically a raspberry?  <G>  The raspberry fricative.

Another similar sound may be obtained by not sticking out your tongue.
If you're a trumpet (or similar) player, it's the sound you get without
the horn shoved in your face.  [Amazing how a lump of brass and silver
can transmogrify a flatulent noise into wonderful music!]

> Here's another one, along the lines of the aspirated trilled r:  Can you
> make an aspirated uvular trill?  Some Germans I know can really trill
> the "r" of _Rauheit_ in the back of their throat like a veritable motor.
> I can do it better if it's voiceless.  How would that be represented?

I can do that a bit; it's a pretty neat sound!

>
> > BTW, anyone have any idea what to call the sound you can make by forcing
> > little air bubbles between your gum and upper lip???  I'm thinking of
> > trying THAT sound out in an alien lang.
>
> Hee hee hee... I can do that only behind the back of my lower teeth,Adam,
> but it has never been audible enough for such purposes!
> What about whistling through your teeth?  That might be an
> interesting sound.

Not too far away from the sound toads and frogs make with their air sacs.
Perhaps if your aliens have greatly expandible lip sacs, such a sound
would be audible enough for communication.  A name for the sound?  How
about "pressurized labio-gingival crepitation".

Padraic.

>
> Sally
>

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