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AUXLANG April 1999, Week 2

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Re: Kelkaj novaj aferoj legindaj

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On Sun, Apr 11, 1999 at 09:04:08AM -0400, Ken Caviness wrote:
...
> Je 09:35 PM 09.04.99 -0400, Paul O Bartlett skribis:
>=20
> >On Thu, 8 Apr 1999, Albert REINER wrote:
>=20
> >>On Thu, Apr 08, 1999 at 07:46:45AM -0700, Chris Burd wrote:
...
> >>setting everybody is used to dealing with words like
> >>"Krankenanstaltenzusammenarbeitsfonds" ("Fund for the cooperation
> >>among institutions caring for the sick"). I assume that this is one o=
f
...
> I learned German as a young monolingual (American/Usonana) adult, and t=
ook
> to it like a duck to water, although I have (to my knowledge) no German
> ancestry.  And that despite the "portmanteau words"!  They just seemed =
like
> great fun to me, even the legendary one that starts off
> "Donaufahrtschiffsgesellschaft...", or something like that.  I think it
> went on at least twice that long, something about a ship of a shipping =
line
> on the Danube and the cat of the captain's boy thereof.    Of course, n=
o
> one actually uses such words in conversation.  I wonder if statistical
> studies have been done regarding the average number of semantic units p=
er
> word in ordinary conversation, in newspaper articles, in poetry, etc.  =
I
> would expect it to be higher in German than in English, but nowhere nea=
r
> the level which Twain joked about.
 
Actually, I know the "legendary" one as
"Donaudampfschiffahrtsgesellschaftskapit=E4nsm=FCtze" =3D the cap of the
captain at the shipping line on the Danube. Unfortunately the
Donaudampfschiffahrtsgesellschaft went out of business a couple of
years ago (around 1990 I think), or at least there were serious
financial troubles. Of course the "Donau..." is not used on a regular
basis, and people would often use the abbreviation DDSG for the
shipping line.
 
But the example that I mentioned, the
"Krankenanstaltenzusammenarbeitsfonds" is a word that was in actual
usage around the time this institution was created. If not in everyday
conversation, it was definitely very common in newspapers and
newsprograms. (That people didn't just use the abbreviation has to do
with the fact that the correct abbreviation for "Kranken..." is
"KrAZAF", the sound of which is terribly close to "Kratz' ab!": a
rather rude colloquial imperative asking a person to die and an
obviously bad choice for an institution for the cooperation of
hospitals.)
 
Other longish words in actual use are, e.g., the
"Bundestheaterbetriebsgesellschaft" (which will be created effective
this summer, together with some similar words), the
"Finanzausgleichsanpassungsgesetz" or the "[Allgemeine]
Sozialversicherungsgesetzesnovelle" (laws due every other year). And
the social democrats want to use money from the
"Familienlastenausgleichsfonds" --- much to the dismay of the
conservatives. Everyone here who listens to the news will actually
hear and (hopefully) understand those words. When you study at a
university, you will probably attend "Blocklehrveranstaltungen"
conforming to the rules of the new "Universit=E4tstudiengesetz", but I
don't know the situation for "Fachhochschullehrg=E4nge". And by the
way, I myself am working on an implementation of a theory
incorporating "renormierungsgruppentheoretische" ideas into liquid
state theory.
 
All these words are really used (with the exception of
"renormierungs...", which only a bunch of physicists or mathematicians
will know), and they are by no means contrived (like
"Fachhochschullehrgangseinrichtungsverordnung", the legal act calling
a "Fachhochschullehrgang" into existence).
 
...
 
> What I can unequivocally state is that I am completely uninterested in =
a
> planned language which requires me to learn as much vocabulary as is
> necessary to get up to speed in a "natural" language -- I'll just learn
> another ethnic language instead. =20
 
For myself, I wouldn't say so. If a language's construction itself is
appealing and interesting and if there is interesting literature in
that language, I might still find it worth the effort. But I'm
curious: when you say "natural", do you only mean languages that still
survive in actual use? I personally always liked Latin and, even much
more so, Ancient Greek.
 
...
 
> value judgment.  And here's another:  I completely concur with Albert
> REINER's comment quoted at the beginning of this message:  the English
> language is well-described as a "seemingly unstructured soup"!
 
Thank you so much!
 
...
> >is concerned: If there are two things I don't like about E-o, one of
> >them is the far too frequent use of "de".
>=20
> Now I'm curious:  What is the other thing you don't like about Esperant=
o?
 
I'd prefer if roots always were genderless (or rather, of no specific
gender), so that one would use only -in- or some "viriga" infix when
sex really plays some role: I like to think of "-ulo" just as "person"
(no sex specified), but if "-ulino" denotes a female, "-ulo" must be
her male counterpart (we don't really want to say "virsa=F8ulo" for a
wise male). But I guess that PC was not an issue in Zamenhof's
days. From what I gleaned from some web page a couple of months ago,
Ido seems to have this, but I didn't like the other "enhancements"
with respect to E-o mentioned there.
 
Soviel f=FCr heute ---
 
Albert.
 
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