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AUXLANG May 1999, Week 3

Subject:

Re: AUXLANG Digest - 12 May 1999 to 13 May 1999

From:

Chris Burd <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 14 May 1999 14:10:08 -0400

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> At 12:01 AM 5/14/99 -0400, lojban wrote:
> >There are 18 messages totalling 1099 lines in this issue.
>
> Mostly a reply to Petry, it gets hard to edit when the points I want to
> respond to are in separate messages.
>
> >From:    Robin Turner <[log in to unmask]>
> >la kris.burd. cusku di'e
> >> Digression on immediate recognisability: Suppose that, as a matter
> >> of actual fact, the world is set up in such a way that an imm. rec.
> >> language like Interlingua or Occidental can carve out a useful
> >> role for itself as a means of international communication, while
> >> the likes of Esperanto and Lojban, by virtue of what I'll call
> >> their natural self-enclosure, are destined to continue more or
> >> less as they are now. Under such conditions, wouldn't it be
> >> worthwhile for some people to pursue these imm. rec. projects? And,
> >> since we don't actually know in what way the world is set up, isn't
> >> it in fact worthwhile for some people to pursue them even now,
>
> >> especially since (like Esperanto, like Lojban) they offer their
> >> users genuine compensations even now (largely different ones than
> >> Esperanto, than Lojban)?
>
> I have no objection to anyone pursuing any project they choose for any
> reason.  Their individual reasons will determine how worthwhile it is.
 
Well, Robin got my point, even if you didn't. That's OK.
 
> >Yes.  One reason why I'm less critical than some people of "hobbyists" is
> that
> >they preserve and develop languages that may later turn out to fit "the
> way the
> >world is set up" better.  Personally I'm very sceptical about the whole
> "at-sight
> >readability" thing (for reasons which I'ver explained at great - and possibly
> >boring - length already) but if people are prepared to look into it, and
> >promote/develop languags which are designed to be at-sight readable, then
> fine.
> >What I object to are the exagerrated claims made by some people on this
> subject.
 
[snip]
 
> This forum is either a group of
> friends sharing a common interest, or a group of intellectuals sharing an
> intellectual endeavor.  Neither friends nor intellectuals appreciate being
> the recipient of marketing hype (or even the style of marketing hype) from
> fellow friends or from fellow intellectuals.  It violates the Gricean
> pragmatic maxims for the conversation.  It is rude.  It is not friendly,
> nor is it intellectual.
 
I couldn't agree more. But if these are your views, how *you* account
for the 25+ kilobytes of invective I've deleted below? (Which includes
by the way, a number of frankly insulting remarks toward Bob Petry.)
I don't buy the excuse of provocation, by the way, not from self-
proclaimed authority on communicational etiquette. Or rather, I can
tolerate the occasional outburst, from you or anyone else, but
repeated displays over weeks and months are worse than rude:
they're boring.
 
If you can't communicate with Petry on a level higher than this,
don't talk to him.
 
Chris Burd

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