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AUXLANG  May 1999, Week 3

AUXLANG May 1999, Week 3

Subject:

Even more simplicity

From:

Kjell Rehnstrom <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 18 May 1999 08:05:11 +0200

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>bob's posting that Eo has more roots than Occ is the funniest yet.
>Compare:
>
>> So, from my perspective of simplicity, I looked up the word universe.
>> It is univers/o. The root shown as univers. One root.
>> Then I looked up the word universal. It is universal/o. The root
>> shown is universal. A second root.
>> Then I looked up the word university. It is universitat/o. The root
>> shown is universitat. A third root.
>> >From Esperanto-English Dictionary, p. 157, TY Books, 1969.
>>
>
>with
>
>> So, by learning ONE root ,UNIVERS, the Oriental can easily form the
>> above words easier than with Esperanto. And, remember, this is only
>> one example.
>>
>> univers/o
>> univers/al
>> univers/ita'
>> univers/al/ita'
>> univers/al/isar
>
>The difference lies in what you call a root - the Eo dictionary is
>obviously listing everything before the final suffix as a root (silly in
>my opinion).  You could rewrite the Eo as
>Root - univers-
>
>univers/o
>univers/al/o
>univers/itat
>
>See, just one root!
>
>co'o mi'e robin.
Or you could use Esperanto's own resourses:
universo =3D *chiajho  (all-thing)
universala =3D chiajha (all-thingish)
universitato =3D studejo*
 
school is _lernejo_ learnstead (place where you learn)
University could then be _studejo_ studystead_ place wher you study, where
there are _students_ (studantoj). Now the Esperanto for University student
is not _studanto_ but _studento_ as _studanto_ is anyone engaged in
studies.
 
But we already have _lernanto_ (pupil, alumnus)
 
But as _embassy_ is ambasadorejo (if that is not the embassador's
residence) then one could imagine this in Esperanto:
 
instruejo (primary school) where there are _instruistoj_ teachers and
_instruatoj_ persons who are taught, instructed.
 
Then you have _highschool_ lektorejo
 
and University _profesistejo_ where there are profesatoj (people being
taught by a professor). Esperanto was designed for people who had some of
the foreign words in their own national tongues but not all.
 
I can understand that old Z chose the words he did. Look:
malsanulejo =3D hospital; but: Russian bolnitsa, German Krankenhaus (a nearl=
y
litteral correspondence =3D house for sick persons.
 
Altinstruejo could correspond to the Soviet time VUZ (superior edcucational
establishment).
 
I could imagine a terribly puristic esperanto. Could be fun!
 
Bob says that there is no suffix for _-al_ but as suffixes can function
like whole words like _ism_ in some languages, then you can imagine
_univers-al-o_ universal wing. I don't know what that is.
 
Ken wrote: Kjell's Esperantifications to the right:
>>Occidental:
>>numer/e one root =3D numero (mathematical), nombro (of people)
>>numer/al same root =3D numeralo, "kalkulvorto"
>>numer/ator same root =3D kalkulilo, nombrilo (don't know what that is)
>>numer/os same root =3D multnombra (great-numbered)
>>e/numer/ar same root =3D nombrigi, kalkuli
>>etc.
 
Esperanto has an advantage here having one word for _number_ as in
_mathematical number_ and another to denote how many of something there
are. As in:
Can you write your number here?
Chu vi povas skribi vian numeron tie chi?
 
and
The number of Interlingua speakers is increasing.
La nombro de interlingua-parolantoj kreskas.
 
Al suffixos que Bob enumera in un altere message in iste linea il merita
notar que occidental e esperanto etiam ha le suffixo:
id =3D descendente. Illo existe in le vocabulario international e pote etiam
esser usate in interlingua, ma forsan non tanto liberemente como in
Occidental e Espeanto, proque illo forsan non es sempre comprendite como un
suffixo con iste signification.
 
 
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