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AUXLANG  May 1999, Week 3

AUXLANG May 1999, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Quel es do li spi'ritu de Occidental!

From:

"Robert J. Petry" <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 14 May 1999 23:27:17 -0700

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Ken Caviness wrote:
 
>
 
[kut]
 
> .  I'd be happy for you to show it to
> me, though.
 
I have my BIG doubts about that statement, my friend.[kut]
 
>
> Well, I think that's a bit optimistic.  And I do maintain that a test would
> show that even a group of the preferred speakers (and especially a more
> cosmopolitan group) would reach a level of moderate fluency faster in
> Esperanto than in Occidental.  As far as I know, no one has performed the
> test, but Esperanto is more logical and exception-free, fewer rules and
> exceptions (sub-rules), etc.  (No, I'm not talking about any 16 rules.
> Just tell us how to conjugate all verbs, for instance.  It's simpler in
> Esperanto.  Tell us how to change verbs to nouns.  It's simpler in
> Esperanto.  Et cetera.)
 
Typical bureaucratic response. i.e. Let's not DO IT let's get up a study group to
see if we should do it, how, when, why, and see if we can get funding, and then
there is the hope Bill Gates might be talked into.... on the other hand the
University protocol restricts this type of plan, so we need to set up another
study test to see if we can get past the U. restrictions, and then, of course, the
Library of Congress will want to give a number to the results, as soon as we can
get over the first test, to test if we should test the folks that are going to
test the public with the test we are going to test with the public. But, first, we
must test the waters to see if such a test has a reasonable chance of being tested
by the people who will want to test our thesis for wanting to test the test and
then we need to plan how to test the double blind test before we can test the test
that will test the public who will ultimately test whether our test is testable or
not.
 
This is all resistive nonsense, and is going nowhere, so I will continuing doing
my actual TEST right now, every day, without waiting to see if antagonists and
opponents want to bother testing what they know will fail when tested unless it is
somehow fixed, as has been done since 1887.
 
Please, continue to call me all the low life names you guys wish, but the fact
remains none of you have given anything solid that disproves anything taught in
the jurnales, other than personal opinions based on personal preferences and old
wives tales handed down since 1922-3.
 
Now, please go on to another topic. No one is interested in this here. And, I'm
tired of being attacked by everyone for being enthusiased about Occ. Isn't there
anyone else out there who is so enthusiastic about their language that they will
present it to the list and defend it? If Occidental is so bad as you folks think
it is, then USE a language here, and show by its fruits that it is better. Don't
just argue that that is the case. DO IT, PROVE IT by usage. Don't tell me how good
Esp is. Use it here without translation and see how much is understood. Then,
compare that with Occ, and with ILa. You want a test. Ok, DO IT HERE, and do it
NOW. Otherwise, please, please, go on to whatever you fancy for a topic and I WILL
SHUT UP ABOUT the BEST language here so far.
 
I love it when people tell me how bad Occ is, and my tactics, and in many cases
are responding to what they read and understood in Occidental itself. Why, you
can't do that with Esperanto, even here, because you have to understand it to
argue about it.
 
> >7. The reason, [yeah, I know some of you say this can't be done, but it
> has been,
> >and still is being done.] this is so is because Occidental is an INTER
> language.
>
> I NEVER said "this can't be done".  Wasn't it Tolstoy who remarked that in
> an afternoon he learned enough Esperanto to be able to communicate?  (Or
> something like that, someone correct me, please.)  But it's optimistic for
> the average person, even the average speaker of a favored language.
 
Boy, have I a test for you then, to try with Esp. But, since no one cares, then I
don't care about it here anymore.
 
And, your Esperanto like typical remarks, are, like you said about my remarks in
the part below I kut, are boooorrrrining.
 
So, since I bore everyone so much, please go on to another topic or topic(s).
 
When you come up with some real, non Esperantic wives tales handed down since
1922, to challenge Occidental with, and honest ones, then maybe there will be
something further to discuss.
 
Now I see what E.W. meant when he mentioned the "timore" the Esperantists and
others had about Occ. They can't afford to participate in any test that will put
it before the whole world in the same page with Esp. etc.
 
Cordialmen,
Bob, x+O~

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