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AUXLANG  May 1999, Week 3

AUXLANG May 1999, Week 3

Subject:

Further Ease of Application

From:

"Robert J. Petry" <[log in to unmask]>

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International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 16 May 1999 12:53:26 -0700

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Ken likes to talk about Esp being simpler than Occ. Sounds good on
the surface.
And, several of the attempts to prove this is to pick on "passiv"
versus "active" use of Occ.
And, the "too many 'unneeded' suffixes" in Occidental versus the
"easy" ones in Esp.
And, word formation is criticised [which I partly answered with the
16 versus 6 Esperanto word in a former post}.
And, some other ideas. But, here, instead of saying, Esperanto is not
simpler, let's give an actual example.
 
The Many Senses of the afixes in Esperanto.
 
Many argue that Occidental afixes lack the single sense
characteristic of affixes as used in Esperanto. And, because of this,
they assert that therefore, Esperanto is easier to learn than
Occidental. Now, what is the other side of that story? Is Esperanto
easier to learn because of this single sense aparatus of Esperanto?
 
Let's take the following afixes: -ado, -ajo, -ido, -ismo, -ano, -ema,
ek-, re- and el- for examples. Notice the "simple" single senses of
these "simple" affixes.
 
-ADO:
1. action (skribado)
2. duration (irado)
3. repetition (pafado).
 
See how you only have to memorize ONE use for -ADO?
 
-AJO:
1. something concrete (skribaj^o)
2. concrete result of an action (konstruaj^o)
3. material (lignaj^o)
4. thing comestibil (porkaj^o)
5. manner of act (azenaj^o)
 
Notice how you only have to memorize one use of -AJO? So, far, two
affixes with 8 senses. Now,
 
-IDO:
1. filio de . . . (reg^ido),
2. yun nascete (c^evalido),
3. descendentes (levidoj),
4. indigeno (Kanaanido),
5. epigone (Homeridoj).
 
Notice how you only have to memorize one use of _IDO? So far, three
affixes with 13 senses. 13 for 3 ain't bad.
 
-ISMO:
1. doctrine (budhismo)
2. movement (vegetarismo),
3. maniere de acter (kanibalismo)
4. sistema (j^urnalismo)
5. maladiv tendenties (alkoholismo),
6. idiotismes (latinismo).
 
Notice how you only have to memorize one use of _ISMO? So far, four
affixes with 19 senses.
 
_ANO:
1. membre (komitatano)
2. logiante (urbano)
3. adepte (Lutherano)
4. apartenent a ... (familiano).
 
ditto
 
-EMA:
1. inclinat a . . . (dormema),
2. possent . . . (eksplodema)
3. sub li dangere de . . . (mortema).
 
ditto
 
EK-:
1. comensa de un action (ekiri),
2. subit action momentan (ekbati).
 
ditto, but two for one ain't bad.
 
RE-:
1. retro (reveni),
2. denov (revidi).
 
ditto, we're getting better, only two for one still.
 
EL-:
1. movement ad e'xter (eliri),
2. selection (eltrovi),
3. aquisiter alquo' desirat (elflati monon de iu),
4. manifestar per alquo" (elparoli),
5. crear per . . . (elpensi),
6. extender in li sense del longore (elglatigi),
7. plen, exhaustiv (elkreski),
8. posser far til li fine (elporti = Occ. suportar),
9. til inusabilita", desaparition (eluzi).
 
ditto, and wow, for a moment I thought they were getting easier. So,
we have 9 affixes from simple and easy Esperanto with only 39 senses
to memorize and use without a dictionary being handy!! Now that is
real simple stuff.
 
Oh, in case anyone wants to know the source for this it was the Plena
Gramatiko de Esperanto de Kalocsay -Waringhien).
 
So, it is in reality difficult for an Esperantist to actually affirm,
as Ken, Dr. Manders, and others, try to do, that Esperanto has fewer
senses in their affix structure than Occidental. In fact, it just
isn't true. And this is only ONE of many points that show Esperanto
is easier to learn. This is one of the reasons they have to hold
every year to the false figure of 2,000,000, because not enough
learners stick to make the numbers grow. And, 2,000,000 is already
inflated. But, of course, how can one really count chess players?
 
I have a LOT more Ken. Should I stop now? And, oh, I expect you will
want to post some ACTUAL examples of the Occidental concepts that are
"so much more difficult than Esp." instead of just repeating
Esperantist propaganda that says Occidental is more difficult.
 
Oh, please pick out 9 of the "worst" offenders of the Occidental
"affixes" and see if you can come up with 39 different senses to
them. Have fun!
 
Cordialmen,
Bob, x+O~

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