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AUXLANG  May 1999, Week 3

AUXLANG May 1999, Week 3

Subject:

Even more simplicity

From:

Kjell Rehnstrom <[log in to unmask]>

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International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 18 May 1999 07:13:25 +0200

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Bob scribeva:
 
>I have this Esperanto-English dictionary. It lists the words by their
>roots, and then gives the english meaning.
>
>So, in decideing to look "outside" the Cos. jurnales, and Occidental
>grammars, etc. I decided to look for myself strictly at Esperanto
>books alone.
>
>So, here's one thing I have found.
>
>Esperanto does not have some common international affixes, at least,
>not in the Teach Yourself Esperanto English dictionary which lists 94
>affixes, plus some other kinds of endings.
>
>So, from my perspective of simplicity, I looked up the word universe.
>It is univers/o. The root shown as univers. One root.
>Then I looked up the word universal. It is universal/o. The root
>shown is universal. A second root.
>Then I looked up the word university. It is universitat/o. The root
>shown is universitat. A third root.
>From Esperanto-English Dictionary, p. 157, TY Books, 1969.
>
>Now, here's the tricky part, which folks don't want to see. This is a
>complication, not a simplification. How, you say. Well, Esperanto is
>supposed to be easier to learn than Occ. Right? So, for romance
>linguists or non-romance linguists, it doesn't matter. For in
>Esperanto you must learn THREE roots plus all the affixes to use with
>them. That means 3X's a potential 45-94+ words. Of course, I know it
>would be fewer than that, but whatever it is, it is three times what
>is necessary.
>
>Now, in occidental how many roots must you learn to create these
>three words? Would you believe ONE.
 
Le parolas de origine latin es estraner (foreign) in esperanto, como del
resto in svedese o polonese....
 
>Of course, we all know this doesn't matter, because "Esperanto is
>easier to learn faster". But, think about the poor Oriental. In
>Occidental he/she only has to learn ONE root, but in Esperanto he/she
>has to learn THREE. That's twice the effort.
>
>And, this is only one concept out of thousands.
>
>So, by learning ONE root ,UNIVERS, the Oriental can easily form the
>above words easier than with Esperanto. And, remember, this is only
>one example.
>
>univers/o
>univers/al
>univers/ita'
>univers/al/ita'
>univers/al/isar
>
>Of course, if you are only learning one word, three roots isn't bad.
>But, multiply this effort by the number of extra roots required by
>Esperanto over the fewer required by Occidental. I say, one is easier
>than three. But, of course, we must remember that only the educated
>can learn one root, and the uneducated street people only need three
>for the same job.
>
>Here is another simple example: number
>Esperanto:
>numer/o one root numer
>numeral/o a second root
>numerator/o a third root
>
>Occidental:
>numer/e one root
>numer/al same root
>numer/ator same root
>numer/os same root
>e/numer/ar same root
>etc.
>
>Esp. needs three roots times a potential 94+ affixes.
>Occ needs one root plus the affixes.
>
>Now, I don't know about you, but if I am an Oriental, etc. I would
>want the easiest to learn. Would I rather learn 94+ affixes and two,
>and three roots for the same thing, or:
>Learn an equal amount of affixes and one root? And, with affixes that
>are in use already in the major languages of the West as an added
>benefit, or learn affixes that are used in no other language. For, if
>I learn the already in use affixes, then I can later figure out the
>meanings easily of words in other Western languages, which I couldn't
>do if I learned the 94+ affixes of Esp.
>
>At least, that's how I see it. I'd rather take the easy road used by
>"erudites". Which when properly translated means "people who take the
>easiest route for the most people possible".
>
>Con grand joya,
>Bob, x+O~
>
>P.S. Please don't stop here, go to the library and get an Esperanto
>dictionary, preferably the biggest one you can get, and count the
>extra roots you have to learn for one concept. Then realize that that
>often doubles and triples your effort with the 94+ affixes.
 
Si por esperanto _universala_ e _universitato_ es duo apparte radices le
quales tanto ben poterea (could) esser _slima_ e _klubhogo_. Secundo
grammaticos esperantistic il se tracta de totalmente altere radices.
 
 
 
 
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Kjell Rehnstr=F6m
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