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CONLANG  June 1999, Week 2

CONLANG June 1999, Week 2

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Re: Deriving adjectives from nouns

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"From Http://Members.Aol.Com/Lassailly/Tunuframe.Html" <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 7 Jun 1999 16:30:21 EDT

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> > Dans un courrier dat=E9 du 07/06/99 18:21:50  , charles a =E9crit :
> =20
>  > you can define them provided you STOP equating action-and-state with=20
"verb"
>  > and substance with "noun". try "predicate" and "substantive" instead an=
d
>  > ponder about what "argument" is. do, be, have.
> =20
>  Yes, I agree. It is good to invent some useful categories,
>  but not to mistakenly reify them. Those 50 operators/functions
>  may not "be" adverbs/auxiliaries/classifiers/conjunctions.
>  I think syntax should be well-separated from semantics,  at least during=20
analysis and maybe by design.

you got it : first un-aspectivize, then analyse, and lastly design. i'm=20
afraid you get around 50 though, not speaking of spatial "references" (excep=
t=20
for "base", "illative" and "ablative" because mankind is no elohim). that ma=
y=20
be God's retaliation for Babel's blunder ;-).=20

 So "adjective"
>  might mean "some kind of noun modifier" but not necessarily
>  "an inherent or contingent quality of a being or essence".

exactly. adjective is no equative. go on.
> =20
>  > >  Though the mathematician Couturat had a major role in
>  > >  designing parts of Ido, and Peano (famous for his set theory)
>  > >  invented an auxlang (Interlingua, the first of that name)
> =20
>  > >  neither was especially logical in its design or constructions.
>  >=20
>  > did you ever wonder why ?
> =20
>  Yes; they knew what they were not doing; Jesperson, de Wahl too.
>  The goal was "just" to unite Europe linguistically, to prevent
>  World Wars I and II.

exactly. and as a romance speaker i favour the best common latin idiom.

 Mathematical logic was in no danger.

(it'll be in a few years.)

>  And logic is in no way incompatible with natural language.

perfectly true. maths were considered Logics and natlang an imperfect=20
application thereof.

>  But to further discuss auxlangery here would be dangerous.
>  Come over to AUXLANG, which is nearly comatose.
> =20

no way. i prefer here because all dead-serious issues are likely to end with=20
some "in my conlang 'xswartyzep' means both and neither"-kind of post. i fin=
d=20
this more reasonable.

mathias

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