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AUXLANG June 1999, Week 3

Subject:

Fwd: Re: Fwd: Un altri son de cloche!

From:

James Chandler <[log in to unmask]>

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International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 15 Jun 1999 10:09:59 GMT

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Charles rote:
 
> > I think there is a problem about derivation if you don't have some
>standard
> > endings for the open word classes, tho I am bound to say that the
>Esp-Ido
> > endings are perhaps not the best that can be found.
>
>Making them elidable "for poetry" certainly hasn't helped matters.
>Penultimate stress pattern also leads to their disappearance.
>For an IAL, make the rule and follow it 100%, or drop the rule.
 
Poetry is always going to be a law unto itself; I do not regard it as of
much significance for any IL, so I do not worry too much about what poets
choose to do with the language.  I don't understand your point about
penultimate stress.  -a is elidable in Ido anyway.
 
>I think -s is inevitable, but it would be better to have
>no obligatory number or tense. Perhaps IAL designers should
>be forced to study East Asian languages, e.g. Bahasa Indonesia
>and Mandarin, the world's most successful constructed langs.
 
Mandarin constructed?  But I would also be happy with an optional plural
particle (tho of course, one would need a separate word for "we" - but the
other pronouns could follow the noun pattern).
 
>As long as *all* adverbs get the same regular ending,
>parsing of sentences containing unfamiliar words is easy.
>There is no excuse for irregulars in a constructed lang.
>A clear, simple distinction between prepositions and adverbs,
>whether in morphology or syntax, is deperately needed.
 
That's why -men really has to be -imen (including the adj. ending -i).
-mente just seems to long and unwieldy.  J's -im is very well judged, imo.
 
>Who needs articles? They are confusing and totally useless,
>assuming part-of-speech endings of some sort. Whereas in
>Interlingua, which has no obvious indication of noun vs.
>adjective vs. verb ... the "le" is almost your only clue.
 
So an article is absolutely necessary if there are no PoS endings/markers?
Mandarin has no article, and there roots are multifunctional.  Could not
word order and empty words be used to clarify function?
 
>Couturat's careful definitions do not seem workable to me.
>Jesperson tried to distinguish various senses of the noun,
>but I'm not sure this should be done. Esperanto is more
>intuitive about this. Imagine trying to teach these fine
>distinctions to 2nd language learners OR children.
 
Perhaps; but what is the point of a _suffix_ with no defined sense, unless
one is striving for natural appearance?
 
Kordiale,
 
James Chandler
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