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AUXLANG June 1999, Week 3

Subject:

Vos vs tu (was Re: "natural vs unnatural")

From:

Chris Burd <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 15 Jun 1999 05:59:33 -0700

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At 10:50 PM 14 06 99 -0500, you wrote:
 
I don't know about Swedish, but Interlinguists normally make the
distinction between _vos_ (plural or formal) and _tu_ (singular informal).
I tend to treat them somewhat as in German (my best foreign language),
where university students automatically use _Du_ with each other. Regarding
the Internet mailing lists (a bit idealistically perhaps) as free-wheeling
seminars, I use _tu_ pretty freely.
 
I've assume that Esperanto's almost exclusive use of _vi_ was a gesture
toward egalitarianism, so that Eo wouldn't have the same layers of
formality as most ethnic Euro. langs. (I suspect that _ci_ and _vi_ differ
strictly in number, but Z. may have felt - reasonably - that the use of 2
pronouns would open the door to a formal/informal distinction).
 
Somewhere in Interlingua Grammar it says you can just use _vos_ if you
wish, a l'anglaise, and it  may be that some people do this.
 
Cheers,
 
Chris
 
 
>However, in Swedish, Kjell, isn't there a polite word for "you"? "Tu" in
>Spanish (and Interlingua?) can sound like you are talking down to the person
>unless you happen to be good friends. I once saw my wife explode at a
>customs inspector who was calling her "tu." "Sir," she told him, "if I
>respect you (usted), I expect you to respect me." The customs inspector
>turned red in the face, and addressed her henceforth as "usted."
>
>Maybe this whole business of different words for "you" should be abandoned
>in an international language. We do just fine in English with only one word.
>Two or more words can cause unnecessary complications.  In Romanian, there
>are three forms of address depending on the social status of the person
>being addressed. That can get pretty tricky.
>
>Daniel
>
>

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