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AUXLANG  June 1999, Week 3

AUXLANG June 1999, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Libertate de expression

From:

"Robert J. Petry, C.L." <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 16 Jun 1999 23:22:24 -0700

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Kjell Rehnstr=F6m wrote:
 
> Chris Burd notava que il ha (there are) plure (pensa pluralo) contribue=
ntes al
> Interling, qui es usatores fluente de anglese, nonobstante (nonwithstan=
ding)
> prefere usar interlingua. Ego es un de illos. Pidgin o creol, interling=
ua me
> tamen da un libertate que io non ha in anglese. Si on considera que io =
ha
> acquirite interlingua in le fraction del dece annos que io usava pro ac=
quirer
> le anglese, illo me ha date enorme profito.
 
Kjell, sovente di sur ILa que it es li bon lingue por il. E "si on consid=
er que yo
ha acquirit interlingua in li fraction del deci annus que yo usat pro acq=
uisiter
li angles...". Esque it ne ver que li list ha videt me acquisiter Occiden=
tal con
vor ocules? Ti-ci es por me un bon exemple. Yo es aprendent Occidental vi=
a leer
it, e scrir it in public. Dunc, si yo fa un erra, it es apart a tot li oc=
ules de
ti list e li altri listes Occidental, Auli, Aulipro, Raplinrie, etc.
 
Alor, si yo scri in Occidental, Kjell o un altri person traduca it in Int=
erlingua.
Yo ne vider li punctu de ti si ILa es tamen international. Ma, it es poss=
ible in
ti-ci via vider un comparation.
 
Nu, por que es it que yo continua usar Occidental vice ILa, o altri lingu=
e. [Yo
usa RLR solmen con Occidental e Angles.] Li rason es tre simplic, yo cred=
e que
Occidental es plu international e plu practic quam ILa e li altri lingues.
 
Nu, proque de Wahl scientificmen explorat li lingues e solmen pos long
experimentation in fine distillat e rafinat su sistema por arivar al form=
e maxim
practic, it es clar que nequel fidel disciple de Wahl lposse tornar li do=
rse a ti
maniere proceder. Tamen, sembla me evident que quelc present reformatores=
 procede
secun solmen teoric considerationes, e proque ili ne practica lor innovat=
iones in
li vive omnidiari, ne es plen competent por judicar li ver valore de to q=
uo de
teoric vise-punctu apare admirabil. Por exemple, "comensa un IAL con li p=
idgin,
creole, Bahasa, lingues etc." E li ILaistes di it es plu bon usar -mente =
e altri
complicationes de lingues tre romanic, e plu romanic que Occidental. It n=
e es dit
que proque un cose existe in pluri etnic lingues, it es necessimen anc ex=
cellent
por un interlingue. Si li linguificator chassa solmen lu natural e escart=
a omni
altri qualita's desirabil in un simplic e regulari sistema, il va tost o =
tart
arivar a un etnic idioma, e dever recomendar francesi, italian, hispan o =
simil.
Nam si on refusa pro su intern desfacilita' e complicationes li etnic sol=
ution, on
deve, nolens volens, esser pret acceptar un cert quantite' de adaptation =
e
simplification. Dunc, li problema gira circum li question:
 
"Quant formes existent ma irregulari e forsan ambigui e conflictent, on v=
a
abondonar, por pervenir ad un planlingue plu practic e plu scop-conform?"
 
Comparante li hodial Occidental con su variantes on es astonat pri li pra=
ctic
internationalita' e naturalesse junt con un alt mesura de regularita' e
simplicita' possedet del Wahl-creation. Omni eforties obtener un interlin=
gue plu
regulari e plu simplic falli proque to es al custa del naturalita'' egalm=
en omni
provas rendir li lingue plu natural eveni al detriment del simplicita' e
regularita'.
 
Yo nu tracta quelc diferenties inter li varientes e li official Occidenta=
l, ne de
la'tere purmen teoric, ma plutost del aplication in li parlada.
 
It es mi opinion que li genie de De Wahl jacet in li brilliant fusion de =
elementes
presc exclusivmen romanic con un scope-conform sistema grammatica basat s=
ur li
lingues germanic. In ti sense su Occidental -- e solmen Occidental -- mer=
ite li
nomine "lingue europan", e presenta un sintese inegalat e i'negalabil. Li=
 spi'ritu
de ti lingue es ni romanic, malgre' li preponderant romanic vocabularium,=
 ni
germanic: it es in omni egardas un ver inter-lingue, international in su =
aspecte e
parol-formation, ma autonom in to que on posse li'bermen combinar su elem=
entes
intra li li'mites del comprensibilita' e de bon sense. Du innovationes, i=
t sembla
me, -mente e -va, destructe ti harmoniosi fusion, e yo vell asserter, ren=
di li
variantes ne lingues europan, ma definitivmen lingues romanic.
 
Ti qui practica omni dies un interlingue posse sentir li transformation
immediatmen, si il pronuncia mem li max simplic frases:
 
Le femina hesitava e diceva [vice] Li fe'mina hesitat e dit
Nos arrivava a Paris [vice] Noi arivat a Paris
Le homine se inclinava del fenestre e clamava [vice] Li hom inclinat se d=
el
fenestre e clamat.
 
Si it es manifest que li sufixe -mente, bisillabic, acorda se con li spi'=
ritu del
romanic Interlingua, it es anc i'ndubitabil que -men, egalmen natural, pl=
u curt, e
nullmen disturbant li accentuation del radicales, es plu conform al ritme=
 e al
spi'ritu de Occidental.
 
Proque interrogava vos ille femina tanto persistentemente?[vice] Pro quo =
vu
interrogati ti fe'mina tam persistentmen?
 
Quam anglese, in li experientie, parlante Occidental in li hem, yo consta=
ta un
fort predilection por li i'naccentuat e plu comod -men, quel es plu fluen=
t e plu
levi. It ne disturba li regulari accentuation del adjective precedent:
faci'l, faci'lmen e diminue li apen tolerabil longore de paroles quam
incomprehensibilemente, independentemente. Pos adjectives monosillabic on=
 senti li
tro sonori, bisillabic mente quam un pondere desequilibrant: aptmente, ju=
stmente,
mollmente. It es un fenomen caracteristic del germanic lingues que ili co=
nserva in
li derivates li accentu radical: D VAter, vA"terlich, A fAtherly, fAtherh=
ood, Sv
fAderlo"s etc. e -men lassa li relativmen i'nimportant categorie adverbia=
l sin
emfase.
 
Yo va scrir sur ti-ci ide' in un altri "post".
 
> Si io scribe anglese io ha 750 milliones de "spicatores native" qui pot=
e
> corriger (facer correctura) a lo que io dice. Usante interlingua il es
> sufficiente que io face le impression de haber legite le Interlingua Gr=
ammar
> de Gode e Blair.
 
In usant Occidental it es suficient har leet, e leer li Kosmoglott e Cosm=
oglotta
jurnales sin li auxilia de un grammatica. E li vocabularium es in li jurn=
ales in
li textu. Nu, con ti-ci jurnales e li mente far it, yo posse scrir a li 7=
50-800
milliones de angles, e li Hispan milliones, e li milliones de germania, d=
e
frances, port., etc. etc. E ti es qual es li fortie de Occidental, includ=
ant li
simplicita', regularita', internationalita', e li naturalita', e li curt =
formes
del paroles. Tamen, Occidental es tre modern. Un grandissim combination s=
in
competition.
 
> Lo que io face, scribente interlingua, es usar le vocabulario internati=
onal,
> como registrate per le IALA, e io lo (le vocabulario) usa liberemente s=
ecundo
> mi senso de stilo etc.
 
E con Occidental yo posse scri in mi sens de styl, e yo es usant li parol=
es
international e modern con facilita' comunicar con mult plu lingue gruppe=
s quam
ILa, Esp, Ido, etc. sin studie anterior!
 
> Pro me, propterea (a causa de iste cosa, pro le consequentia de iste fa=
cto) le
> discussion de un lingua vermente mundial, debe esser un cosa multo theo=
retic,
> como le discussion inter le marxistas del possibile aspecto del societa=
te sin
> classes social, que era le ultime objectivo del mentionate ideologia.
 
Yo crede que li lingue vermen mundial es li lingue mult practic e ne theo=
retic. E
Occidental es basat sur experience de practica, e simplicita' de aprender.
 
> Il es multo credibile que in un futuro, quando plus de personas va part=
icipar
> in le intercambio per interlingua le usage del lingua va incorporar mul=
te
> tractos (caracteristicas typic) de altere linguas e gruppos de linguas.=
 Ma
> isto non es mi dolor a capite (pensa del parte del corpore ubi on ha le
> cerebro, parte cerebral del corpore, pensa _capital_).
 
[kut]
Cordialmen,
Bob, x+O~
 
P.S. Again, I did not take time to proof the above text.

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