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CONLANG  June 1999, Week 4

CONLANG June 1999, Week 4

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Re: USAGE: Verbs and verb compounds

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"From Http://Members.Aol.Com/Lassailly/Tunuframe.Html" <[log in to unmask]>

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Dans un courrier dat=E9 du 22/06/99 18:55:01  , Charles a =E9crit :

> > > I pay the-cashier to-buy the-book.
> =20
>  > i pay man-cash (and i) buy  book
> =20
>  Good English but bad serial-verb-Construction. Jamming the verbs
>  together makes them fuse into something different than conjunction.
>  The buying-paying is a single act with three actors. IIUC.

definitely. retrospectively you know that the implied finality of this=20
payment is to buy (for). you cannot buy without paying. that's what my "and"=20
was meant to induce here. not fish "and" chips.
 =20
>  > >  I pay the-writer to-write the-book.
> =20
>  > i pay man-write so he write book.
> =20
>  Almost the same except there is a kind of switch-reference
>  thing happening there,=20

same than above, except that the finality is not always true. you always pay=20
to buy things, but these things may be fish and chips as well as a writer's=20
services. that is what my "so" stood for.

which I don't quite understand
>  because nothing I found on the web describes this well.
>
my "bound finality" is translated in natlangs either as concomittancy=20
(japanese "haratte kau") or compound (english "to pay for").

>  > you may want to tell from one another :
>  > concomittance and finality (and, so)
> =20
>  I am tempted to replace all conjunctions with verbs,
>  just to be radical, whether it is possible or not.
> =20
always possible imho, except that in this case you miss the points i stated=20
above and then you get stuck in ditransitivity.

>  > successive actors (nouns, verbs, clauses)
> =20
>  Same for clauses. I want to push everything into SVC's.
> =20
>  > realis and irrealis (so that, in order to)
>  >=20
>  > or rather, different degrees inbetween these "extremals" ;-)
> =20
>  I should-will obtain some adverbs. Many are just weakened verbs.
> =20
indeed.

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