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CONLANG  August 1999, Week 3

CONLANG August 1999, Week 3

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Re: Future Spanish

From:

FFlores <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:23:54 -0300

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Eric Christopherson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>=20
> Pablo, your idea for a future Spanish conlang sounds neat. Are you
> Andalusian, by chance? ;)

I'm an Argentinian. Going up my tree, there's probably a half=20
of Italian blood (mostly Sicilian, which is evident if you live
one day with my mother) and a half of Spanish blood, which may
or may not have been Andalusian.

> That looks like an upside-down small m with a tail hanging down on the
> right. I don't see a SAMPA symbol for it, but X-SAMPA
> (http://www.phon.ucl.ac.uk/home/sampa/x-sampa.htm) uses M\.

Oh, yes, I'm now seeing it in my table (Don Blaheta's compilation).
Its ASCII renderings are all almost equally hideous. But M\ looks
better than j<vel>. I think I'll use /3/ in my own home-made scheme.
In orthography it will be just a final <g>, for example:

        Sp. _enemigo_, FutSp. _enimig_ /en^Imi3/

> > What can I do with a labialized alveolar flap /r_w/?
> > Does that even exist or am I making it up? I intend it
> > to derive from [Br].
>=20
> <<<
> Not sure about this.
> >>>

I've heard that <wr> in Old or Middle English represented this
sound, though it later merged with /r/. That's my only clue,
and I'm not confident about the source. But I can make the
sound -- what I don't know is whether it *is* a single sound,
or a coarticulation.

> <<<
> It sounds like the /h/ is carried over from the /h/ < /s/ in /boh/ < vo=
s. In
> the terminology of Brithenig, this would be a spirant mutation (of cour=
se in
> Brithenig tem=E9s would become them=E9s).
> >>>

Yes, I'll call it 'spirant protesis' or something of the sort (it
sounds cultured, doesn't it? :). No spirant mutation. There will
however be a nasal mutation after the article _un_. And I'm having
trouble resisting to the idea of also having vowel harmony=20
(properly speaking it would be... fronting assimilation?) by=20
which /us'tedes/ would be pronounced [yh't_jej\Ih]).


--Pablo Flores

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